Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:56 am

unspoken wrote:clw_uk,

Not everything must be inside the context. As we open up our mind and see things, there's much answer than inside the sutta. If were to record what the Buddha said, in books. It would filled up the whole library. The Tripitaka is just 47volumes. I am saying that Tripitaka describe in things which is more to the doctrine of the Buddha, guides you on the journey. Others like the kammic effect and so, is not all compound inside the suttas.

Female born in a more clam manner, sometimes do, they have some emotional lost balance, but it doesn't meant that they are not better than male. In the way of karma, female would be the mother, carrying the fetus for 10months, raise the child up. Don't you think the good karma that they cumulate would be much easier to born as a male? Female's effort and sacrifices is so great that they made Westlife sing "You Raise Me Up"

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What does " born in a more clam manner " mean exactly....is this a term you have invented ?
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby andre9999 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:02 pm

PeterB wrote:What does " born in a more clam manner " mean exactly....is this a term you have invented ?


As opposed to a C-section?
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:05 pm

I was hoping there was a connection to Spongebob Squarepants.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:22 pm

Sexdrive:

Which clientele buys porn more, men or women?
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:25 pm

Various studies have linked porn not to sex, but to power Anna.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annatar » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:08 pm

Sacha G wrote:Hi
I wonder whether women might be more gifted than men for spiritual life.
I seen 3 reasons why this would be the case:
1°) They seem more attracted to anything spiritual
2°) They seem to know their inner life and their emotions better
3°) They seem to have less sexual desire (which is not a small obstacle)

Now, it's true that they seem to have stronger emotions, or to put it another way, strong kleshas. It's also a fact that they tend to suffer of depression twice as men.

What do you think?
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Dipa Ma felt that women could go deeper and more quickly into practice than men because their minds are softer and more supple, and that emotions are not a hindrance.
"Women's tendency to be more emotional is not a hindrance to practice... Just watch the emotions and don't identify . Increase the mindfulness of noticing and the concentration."
When asked whether there was any hope for men, she answered, "The Buddha was a man, and Jesus was a man. So there is hope for men, too."

Full awakening requires one's emotional life to be awakened also. Men often tend to suppress their emotions, and while that suppression is maintained it can't be awakened. Both men and women need skilfulness in dealing with their emotions - but that doesn't mean suppressing them.

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby unspoken » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:10 pm

PeterB wrote:
unspoken wrote:clw_uk,

Not everything must be inside the context. As we open up our mind and see things, there's much answer than inside the sutta. If were to record what the Buddha said, in books. It would filled up the whole library. The Tripitaka is just 47volumes. I am saying that Tripitaka describe in things which is more to the doctrine of the Buddha, guides you on the journey. Others like the kammic effect and so, is not all compound inside the suttas.

Female born in a more clam manner, sometimes do, they have some emotional lost balance, but it doesn't meant that they are not better than male. In the way of karma, female would be the mother, carrying the fetus for 10months, raise the child up. Don't you think the good karma that they cumulate would be much easier to born as a male? Female's effort and sacrifices is so great that they made Westlife sing "You Raise Me Up"

PeterB, I am serious

What does " born in a more clam manner " mean exactly....is this a term you have invented ?


Sorry for my poor english :embarassed:

I meant that females have the potential to deal things in a calm way. But most of the guys would be smashing things and bash up someone when things gone unfavorable.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:11 pm

Such generalisations are not useful in my opinion.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Calahand » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:27 pm

unspoken wrote:clw_uk,

Not everything must be inside the context. As we open up our mind and see things, there's much answer than inside the sutta. If were to record what the Buddha said, in books. It would filled up the whole library. The Tripitaka is just 47volumes. I am saying that Tripitaka describe in things which is more to the doctrine of the Buddha, guides you on the journey. Others like the kammic effect and so, is not all compound inside the suttas.

Female born in a more clam manner, sometimes do, they have some emotional lost balance, but it doesn't meant that they are not better than male. In the way of karma, female would be the mother, carrying the fetus for 10months, raise the child up. Don't you think the good karma that they cumulate would be much easier to born as a male? Female's effort and sacrifices is so great that they made Westlife sing "You Raise Me Up"

PeterB, I am serious


thank DA Buddha some people are sinners then, that way they can be born female and I can have the pleasure of enjoying their company and pleasure of enjoying :rolleye: -ahem- other things... who wants a world filled with just men? that would be too 'gay'.

Anyway, man or woman, the difference is only genitourinary organ system deep my friend, the rest is pretty much the same. :namaste: how does karma play into giving you one set of genito urinary organs and not the other? or sometimes gives you one set of genitourinary organs but makes you the other gender like in the case of androgen insensitivity syndrome? who knows?
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Sacha G » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:51 pm

Hi sorry
but from the pali canon point of view, there is a difference between men and women.
"Women, Ananda, are hot-tempered; women, Ananda, are jealous;
women, Ananda, are envious; women, Ananda, are stupid."

Now you might say the Buddha didn't say that, but it's in the canon anyway.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:56 pm

Sacha G wrote:Hi sorry
but from the pali canon point of view, there is a difference between men and women.
"Women, Ananda, are hot-tempered; women, Ananda, are jealous;
women, Ananda, are envious; women, Ananda, are stupid."

Now you might say the Buddha didn't say that, but it's in the canon anyway.

Now give the context.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:01 pm

PeterB wrote:Various studies have linked porn not to sex, but to power Anna.


I know that power plays an important role in love and sex, true.

But how so in porns?
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby meindzai » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:02 pm

PeterB wrote:
Sacha G wrote:Hi sorry
but from the pali canon point of view, there is a difference between men and women.
"Women, Ananda, are hot-tempered; women, Ananda, are jealous;
women, Ananda, are envious; women, Ananda, are stupid."

Now you might say the Buddha didn't say that, but it's in the canon anyway.

Now give the context.


I'm pretty sure this is not even in the Canon to begin with.

I really can't believe some of the bigoted and ignorant things I am seeing on this thread. It's actually astounding.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:03 pm

Sacha G wrote:Hi sorry
but from the pali canon point of view, there is a difference between men and women.
"Women, Ananda, are hot-tempered; women, Ananda, are jealous;
women, Ananda, are envious; women, Ananda, are stupid."

Now you might say the Buddha didn't say that, but it's in the canon anyway.


He was speaking to a man.

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If speaking to a woman, he would have known what to say to her.

In that context... ;)
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:14 pm

Annapurna wrote:
PeterB wrote:Various studies have linked porn not to sex, but to power Anna.


I know that power plays an important role in love and sex, true.

But how so in porns?

The indications are Anna that when a male views hetero porn there is of course sexual arousal, but that seems strongly connected with having power...i.e. he can view them when he wants.... he is controlling the person filmed or photographed. He sees her, but he is hidden from her. She is therefore subservient.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annatar » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:24 pm

PeterB wrote: The indications are Anna that when a male views hetero porn there is of course sexual arousal, but that seems strongly connected with having power...i.e. he can view them when he wants.... he is controlling the person filmed or photographed. He sees her, but he is hidden from her. She is therefore subservient.


Isn't viewing pornography simply a particular form of craving?
Seems to me that the power resides with the pornography rather than in the one viewing it.

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby PeterB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:31 pm

Annatar wrote:
PeterB wrote: The indications are Anna that when a male views hetero porn there is of course sexual arousal, but that seems strongly connected with having power...i.e. he can view them when he wants.... he is controlling the person filmed or photographed. He sees her, but he is hidden from her. She is therefore subservient.


Isn't viewing pornography simply a particular form of craving?
Seems to me that the power resides with the pornography rather than in the one viewing it.

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How can pornography be craving ? Pornography is simply images. The craving is a result of projection onto the images. (That craving can become addictive, but that is a different issue.) Imagining yourself interacting with the imagery. Including the projection of subservience .
Unlike real life the person filmed or photographed has no choice.She cannot reject or hide or walk away. She is captured and vulnerable to the gaze of the viewer.
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annatar » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:58 pm

PeterB wrote: How can pornography be craving ? Pornography is simply images. The craving is a result of projection onto the images. (That craving can become addictive, but that is a different issue.) Imagining yourself interacting with the imagery. Including the projection of subservience .
Unlike real life the person filmed or photographed has no choice.She cannot reject or hide or walk away. She is captured and vulnerable to the gaze of the viewer.


Just to remove any doubt. Pornography itself is not craving. The viewing of pornography is based on craving.

The person filmed or photographed of course, at any rate in most cases, has the choice of whether to be photographed or not.

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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:02 pm

PeterB wrote:
Annapurna wrote:
PeterB wrote:Various studies have linked porn not to sex, but to power Anna.


I know that power plays an important role in love and sex, true.

But how so in porns?

The indications are Anna that when a male views hetero porn there is of course sexual arousal, but that seems strongly connected with having power...i.e. he can view them when he wants.... he is controlling the person filmed or photographed. He sees her, but he is hidden from her. She is therefore subservient.


Highly interesting, really...

Hm...
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Re: Women: more gifted for spiritual life?

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:04 pm

ahem- other things... who wants a world filled with just men? that would be too 'gay'.



I know some gay men who would ;) :lol:
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