In the case of pleasant feelings, O monks, the underlying tendency to lust should be given up; in the case of painful feelings, the underlying tendency to resistance (aversion) should be given up; in the case of neither-painful-nor-pleasant feelings, the underlying tendency to ignorance should be given up.
"If a monk has given up the tendency to lust in regard to pleasant feeling, the tendency to resistance in regard to painful feelings, and the tendency to ignorance in regard to neither-painful-nor-pleasant feelings, then he is called one who is free of (unwholesome) tendencies, one who has the right outlook. He has cut off craving, severed the fetters (to future existence), and through the full penetration of conceit, he has made an end of suffering."
If one feels joy, but knows not feeling's nature,
bent towards greed, he will not find deliverance.
If one feels pain, but knows not feeling's nature,
bent toward hate, he will not find deliverance.
And even neutral feeling which as peaceful
the Lord of Wisdom has proclaimed,
if, in attachment, he should cling to it,
he will not be free from the round of ill.
And having done so, in this very life
will be free from cankers, free from taints.
Mature in knowledge, firm in Dhamma's ways,
when once his life-span ends, his body breaks,
all measure and concept he has transcended.
ravkes wrote:I guess the right way to phrase this is: Why do we have to go through this?
Why can't we all come to this Earth already enlightened?
I can see how when someone wakes up, he sees he's already enlightened. However, when he seemingly wasn't and dealing with demons of his own design it was hell. Why is this hell here in the first place and why do more reproduce to put others in it? Because obviously, taking a look around (3 Bil in poverty and suffering) very very few are enlightened. Most are stuck in a seemingly hellish realm from which they can't get out of.
ravkes wrote:Thank you, I'm really hoping this is all a dream and that these people aren't suffering, that this isn't real.
Strive wrote:We are in this sense-sphere in the first place because of our good and bad khamma, since our mind was filled with a mix of good and bad thoughts, speech, and actions we appear in a world with extreme pleasure and extreme pain. It is because we have not fully penetrated the four noble truth and walked the noble eightfold path is why very few escape suffering. It is good to have compassion and help out the less fortunate whenever possible but I wouldn't pity them because if your not careful you can end up worst off then them. Like you said, keep striving on the path and try to put an end to suffering for the good of yourself and others.
parth wrote:Well this why was something which Buddha himself never answered, I seem to remember reading a situation when somebody asked a similar question to Buddha, he said, this question has gone too far and he would not answer. He would rather urge them to put effort on practise so as to come out of misery.
16. "And what is the origin of suffering? It is craving, which brings renewal of being, is accompanied by delight and lust, and delights in this and that; that is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for being and craving for non-being. This is called the origin of suffering.
Infact when he said 'dukkha' it was not just the apparant dukkha but a much deeper dukkha. The Dukkha which one observes while practising Vipassana. Probably it is only after reaching the other shore that these questions can get answered.
parth wrote:Dear meindzai ,
Just to clarify what this question asks is the reason for the first cause and this was never answered by Buddha ever.
What he did teach was the way out of it
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