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Any idea what this means

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:58 pm

A friend of mine received this message from an Indonesian monk.Does anyone know what it may mean.....see fire like seeing the water,see water like seeing fire.
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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:06 pm

Greetings bhante,

Hmmm... interesting.

If it were me, I would be more inclined to follow the Buddha's teaching on how to regard the elements...

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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:16 pm

Its very interesting!
My first thought was Maharahulovada Sutta:
'Develop the meditation in tune with fire. For when you are developing the meditation in tune with fire, agreeable & disagreeable sensory impressions that have arisen will not stay in charge of your mind. Just as when fire burns what is clean or unclean — feces, urine, saliva, pus, or blood — it is not horrified, humiliated, or disgusted by it; in the same way, when you are developing the meditation in tune with fire, agreeable & disagreeable sensory impressions that have arisen will not stay in charge of your mind.'
- http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Apologies for the strange translation.

Anyway, whatever you find out Bhante, please let us know!

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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:48 am

Hello Bhante

Could it be equanimity regarding sensations of hot and cold?
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:41 am

Hi.Thankyou for your replies.
I am beginning to think that the answers given above may well be on the right track.
I do not know the monk who sent my friend this message but the way it was originally worded,whilst seeming slightly cryptic may just be a translation problem.
This is what can happen when an Indonesian monk sends a message to a Chinese monk who turns to a Kiwi monk for advice.
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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby pilgrim » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:11 am

The phrase is so vaque you can make it mean whatever you want it to mean.
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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:31 am

pilgrim wrote:The phrase is so vaque you can make it mean whatever you want it to mean.

Yes,this is true.Unfortunatly as I said an Indonesian monk sent it to a chinese monk(translated from Indonesian to Chinese)and then the Chinese monk sent it on to me,asking what it meant and of course this was translated from the chinese to the english.I guess it is a bit like playing chinese whispers.
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Re: Any idea what this means

Postby 123ertyy » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:03 pm

What i think is that maybe he misunderstood what was written in the message, or maybe the monk who wrote it got things a bit wrong :S im sorry im not trying to say that im 100% correct but i will be sharing my opinion.

What the phrase actually meant to me is that this is a text that is extracted from Dhatu Manasikara - the meditation method. Where lord Buddha asked us to see Earth as Patavi(hardness) element, Water as Apo(watery- which flows) element, Fire as Theyjo(heat or cold) element and Wind as Vayo(movement or wind) element.

Where our Nails, skin, hair, muscles, eyes etc drops into the catagory Patavi element.

Our saliva, urine etc falls into Apo element,

the Warmness of our body falls into Theyjo element,

and lastly Breath that we take in, the air thats trapped inside our ear and also the air that travels upwards as well as downwards in our body drops into the catogory of Vayo element.

Hope this will be a fair answer for you :)

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