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puthujjana wrote:Why do christians have such a big desire to convert others? I can't understand it...

Because they believe you either get it right in this life or you are screwed for eternity.

Why do christians have such a big desire to convert others? I can't understand it...

Because Jesus in the bible urges his followers to do so, because if your not a christian then according to the bible your going to hell for eternity so they think they are saving you by trying to convert you

There is also a feeling among some christians that other religions are all from the devil, how much of this is from the bible or just a post-biblical idea i dont know

To be fair, not all Christians of the 3 Traditions share such calculated methods of fulfilling 'The Great Commission of Christ' and also the style of half baked evangelists such as Steve Cioccolanti. in my many encounters with more respectable ones, it is sad that this case is often the one by which Christianity is most famously portrayed for. As an ex Christian of 2 traditions and as a Buddhist now, I must agree partially with Bhikkhu Pesala but also perhaps, some people out there need to see/hear an active rebuttal, however 'inadequate' it may have been, from the Buddhist perspective.

Namo Amitabha Buddha!

puthujjana wrote:

Wu-Wei wrote:

I'm really shocked

Why do christians have such a big desire to convert others? I can't understand it...

I blame God.

i dont remember where i came across it as it was many years ago but the idea was put forth that monotheistic religions are by their nature very insecure (i guess a polytheist really doesnt have to worry if the other guy's god is the "real" god cause he would accept that god as well) and as such feel the need to "prove" theyre the right religion through conversion.

its like i believe idea A and if i can get lots of people to also think idea A is correct then it must be...

Over at Amazon.com I see that Ven. Dhammika's review has been removed. I don't know what happened or who did it. I sent an e-mail to Dhammika to ask him if he pulled it.

It was probably to long

I dont remember where i came across it as it was many years ago but the idea was put forth that monotheistic religions are by their nature very insecure

I agree here, monotheistic religions whole belief is centered around there being one all powerful being so they cant accept possibilties of other gods or no-gods since that would undermine everything that they hold dear (attachment to views)

My advice to buddhists is to tolerate any ignorance on the part of christians. It will only get much worse if you respond to it. It is just like dealing with a schoolyard bully or an internet troll. No offense intended to christians, simply advice to others to let them do their thing, they have been at this bs for a long, long time. Don't think you can get one up on them by playing their game. That would be assuming it is a game with rules.

For this kind of christian behavior, education is probably completely out of the question and counterproductive effort. This is the only hope buddhists have of overcoming unwanted friction with christians in general:

The Four Sublime States Contemplations on Love, Compassion, Sympathetic Joy and Equanimity
by Nyanaponika Thera

"These four attitudes are said to be excellent or sublime because they are the right or ideal way of conduct towards living beings (sattesu samma patipatti). They provide, in fact, the answer to all situations arising from social contact. They are the great removers of tension, the great peace-makers in social conflict, and the great healers of wounds suffered in the struggle of existence. They level social barriers, build harmonious communities, awaken slumbering magnanimity long forgotten, revive joy and hope long abandoned, and promote human brotherhood against the forces of egotism.

The Brahma-viharas are incompatible with a hating state of mind, and in that they are akin to Brahma, the divine but transient ruler of the higher heavens in the traditional Buddhist picture of the universe. In contrast to many other conceptions of deities, East and West, who by their own devotees are said to show anger, wrath, jealousy and "righteous indignation," Brahma is free from hate; and one who assiduously develops these four sublime states, by conduct and meditation, is said to become an equal of Brahma (brahma-samo). If they become the dominant influence in his mind, he will be reborn in congenial worlds, the realms of Brahma. Therefore, these states of mind are called God-like, Brahma-like."

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The Practice of Loving-Kindness (Metta) As Taught by the Buddha in the Pali Canon Compiled and translated by Ñanamoli Thera
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Dhammika wrote a completely biased book against Christianity. But nobody said anything against him yet. Steve Cioccolanti wrote a book that shows the similarities between Buddhism and Christianity, and the monk attacks him. What a hypocrite!

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arise,

Which book are you referring to by Ven. Dhammika? Is it Good Question, Good Answer referred to in Steve C.'s blog? If so, that is a book on Buddhism, whereas Steve C.'s book is specifically about Buddhism and Christianity and how they are practiced.

Debating Buddhist texts in ancient languages is the pursuit of academics and the elite, of which Dhammika is one.
I am interested in the millions of lay Buddhists whose faith is not perfect and often syncretic.
That is why I wrote from the beginning of my book “an insider’s view of Buddhism and Christianity,” not an academic’s or professional’s or Western view.
I never claimed to be a monk.
I am only a commoner who has been involved in the lives of thousands of Buddhists and found out how they are suffering.
I want to help end their suffering because I ended my suffering at the Cross of Jesus Christ.
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Now do you all get the actual picture? Especially the one in bold?
Pays to know why and what u believe in depth huh

Namo Amitabha Buddha!

arise wrote:Dhammika wrote a completely biased book against Christianity. But nobody said anything against him yet. Steve Cioccolanti wrote a book that shows the similarities between Buddhism and Christianity, and the monk attacks him. What a hypocrite!

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I am not aware that Ven Dhammika wrote a sustained critique of Christianity. He may have, so it would be incumbent upon you to provide a reference.

On the other hand Steve Cioccolanti's book, from what I have read about it is portrayed on Amazon.com, is a tool for Christians to evangelize Buddhists, and if this is true then Cioccolanti's book is not some innocent, warm fuzzy new-agey similarities effort; rather, it is part of evangelical war that Evangelical Christians are waging upon non-Christian religions.

One needs to be careful about who one calls a hypocrite.

Actually, it might be worth my getting the book and doing a sustained critque of it. There are better things to do with my life, however, but I'll see how this thread unfolds.