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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:28 pm

mlswe wrote:
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mlswe wrote:going for refuge implies shelter, what is it that the triple gem shelters from? suffering.

Suffering is being blind to the truth that there is anatta

Buddhists are a concept containing substrata and is conditioned.

Therefore it is ultimately not true.
Says who?


"Buddhists" is a name, no?

names are conditioned according to the Buddha, no?

Doesnt the buddha say conditioned things, ultimately are not true?


however, conventionately Buddhists have confidence in the triple gem

there is a difference between "having confidence in" and" goin for refuge" in this way, described as above

well you can perhaps say that going in the direction of the refuge by having confidence in the triple gem, but this distinction by actually using the triple gem as a moment to moment shelter from suffering and moving towards that by that confidence is important

that it is important is my opinion, and you naturally do what you want with that



wishing you well
If one follows this line of thought, you are sayting that conventional Dhamm teaching is false,
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:32 pm

edit to: I should answer less and practice more
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:36 pm

mlswe wrote:my english probably fails me or something, or more probable my knowing of the Palitexts hehe, maybe i should sharpen my skill in that

i cant see what your understanding of conventional dhamma is

take care
Pretty much what one finds in the suttas.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:37 pm

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:45 pm

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:05 pm

mlswe wrote:any thing conventionally true, is ultimately false.

"the dhamma teaching" is a name for the concept of instructions for attainment of nibbana

"the dhamma teaching" is described by Bhikkhu Bodhi in "the words of the buddha" as very subtle and hard to let go of. seems naturally only to be let go of simultainuously as arahattship because you wont need it anymore


Educate yourself:

http://kr.buddhism.org/~skb/down/papers/094.pdf
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People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:13 pm

looking trough the beginning it seems beneficial for me to read. thank you. I will delve into when i have more energy

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:24 am

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:48 am

mlswe wrote:Dhamma is not in the suttas but in the heart so to speak

yeah BUT. This is where Zen threw away the suttas basically and I think it causes problems. All too easy to start inching away from the actual teaching, which was PRECISE. And then you find yourself way off the mark.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:01 am

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:32 am

mlswe wrote:You may be right, i will admit i only partook in one zensitting, the strictness shun me away a bit i think, not having the ehipasiko quality that is in true dhamma. But that was just that place.

intuitevly i beleive that all traditions have reprasentatives of the lower attainments, the higher attainments I think are more dependant on teachers than "schools"

I didn't mean to get any kind of sectarian thing going, just commenting on the notion "Dhamma is not in the suttas but in the heart"

I suppose I do have a bit of a critique of some Zen schools not paying enough attention to what the Buddha said, but anyway.

Can't take the "well, it's just convention truth" thing as THE conventional truth one is going to rely on. :smile:
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:45 am

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby alan » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:08 am

If Dhamma was in the heart, we would not need the suttas. Anyone could look into their "heart" and find the truth. We know this isn't so.
"highest convention is required to reach the ultimate"--not sure I get that.
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:17 pm

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby PeterB » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:54 pm

So in your view could anyone sit down and discover the truth of Dependant Origination from scratch ?
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:09 am

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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby PeterB » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:21 am

"hearts" ?
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby mlswe » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:21 am

wow :)
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby PeterB » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:13 am

Ok I'll bite...." wow" ?
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Re: What kind of Buddhist am I?

Postby tamdrin » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:05 pm

PeterB wrote:So in your view could anyone sit down and discover the truth of Dependant Origination from scratch ?


thats exactly what Pratekka Buddha's do.
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