Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

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Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:45 am

If Nibbana is unconditioned is it permanent?
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Re: Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby darvki » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:57 am

It isn't any "thing" to be permanent or impermanent so I think the question is invalid.

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Re: Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:59 am


Nibbana being unconditioned it is beyond the realm of dukkha and anicca. As a dhamma, it remains anatta. Nibbana being unconditioned it is beyond comprehension of the conditioned mind.
With great respect to your line of enquiry I recommend that you concentrate on that which is germane to liberation. Life being fickle, it can end at any time.
May you realize Nibbana, yourself, in this life.
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Re: Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:51 am

I think its a valid question, albeit not a very fruitful one.
Dhuva means permanent, stable, fixed, reliable, sure. The Buddha has pointed out the path to attain the unborn, unconditioned, and permanent nibbāna.

Dhuvagāmin leading to permanence, i. e. Nibbāna S iv.370.
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Re: Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby Akuma » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:56 am

Wizard in the Forest wrote:If Nibbana is unconditioned is it permanent?

Not sure if I interprete this correctly but you are assuming that it has to be permanent because its unconditioned? Thats not necessarily the case. Unconditioned here means that its conditioned by absences, namely the absence of ignorance etc. Its called this way because in indian philosophy absences as being non-entities have no conditions. Space for example is also unconditioned based on the same idea, being spatial absence of rupa.
In the same way tho the absence of coca-cola in a glass is unconditioned but not necessarily permanent.

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Re: Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby meindzai » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:59 pm

I tend to think of it as "not-impermanent" but try not to bother with any conception beyond that. I believe in Abhidhamma it is considered permanent.


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Re: Nibbana permanent or impermanent?

Postby Parth » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:27 pm

Such questions need to be practised for (i.e. practising vipassana and other parts of the noble eight fold path), everything else is a worthless speculation. Lets not waste time there.



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