chownah wrote:It might be that arahants do not view their condition as being an "achievable goal" and this is why you don't see them claiming it to be so.....
Guy wrote:Hi Chownah,chownah wrote:It might be that arahants do not view their condition as being an "achievable goal" and this is why you don't see them claiming it to be so.....
I thought that in the Suttas it is considered an achievable goal...the pursuit of which "clansmen rightly go forth from the household life into homelessness"...or something like that...I could be wrong.
Its to do with a rule within the Vinaya that a monastic may not disclose his attainment to a lay person. In Buddhist countries what has developed is a culture that disapproves of anyone claiming attainment states. I remember reading an account of an elderly monk in the Light of the Buddha magazine (commemorating the 6th Buddhist Council) that within his memory (early 20th C), it was still an offense punishable by the severing of the right hand, of anyone claiming one of the ariyan attainments in Burma.parth wrote:Why they dont proclaim the same, it is probably because of humility that arhants or for that matter even sotapannas do not announce their attainments publicly.
4. Above & beyond words
A well-read layman was conversing with Luang Pu, saying, "I firmly believe that in our present day and age there are not just a few monks who have practiced to the point of reaching the paths, fruitions, and nibbana. So why don't they make their knowledge public, so that those who are interested in the practice will know of the levels of Dhamma they have attained, as a way of giving them encouragement and hope so that they'll accelerate their efforts to the utmost of their ability?"
Luang Pu answered,
"Those who have awakened don't talk of what they've awakened to, because it lies above and beyond all words."
Kenshou wrote:I think the Dalai Lama would be a little disappointed if he were an arahant, don't you think? Kind of throws off the Mahayana path, and that would be the end of the dalai lamas too!