kirk5a wrote:Hi nibs, thanks for sharing. What would you say is referred to as "amata" = "deathless" or "without death"?
I don't want to pretend to be knowledgeable about pali and the suttas because i am not. I am not sure what "deathless" or "without death" is referring to, not having looked up their definitions. There is no-one that really dies? Really, there isn't.
I don't really have much at stake at being wrong about stuff I talk about. There is really no-one home to have a stake in any of it. I'm not fussed that people get ansy and agitated over it either. Each to his or her own. Reduction in suffering is the theme of this thread. Proving that it is something that can be found in a sutta is not on my agenda anymore.
P.S. Ok, I just looked those terms up and here is Thanisaro's take on it:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:j2-PMXvacPoJ:www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/wings.html+amata+pali&cd=2&hl=es-419&ct=clnk&gl=cl&source=www.google.cl
Seeing these processes as inconstant, stressful, and not-self, he abandoned his sense of identification with them. This caused them to disband, and what remained was Deathlessness (amata-dhamma), beyond the dimensions of time and space. This was the happiness for which he had been seeking.
In my own current experience, there is still an urge or tendency to identify with affective feeling even though it is seen as not-self. The compounding seems to continue on it's own, less out of control than before, but still continues. Affective feelings still arise to bite my bum and cause suffering, although a lot less "sticky" than before.The compounded feelings are easier to let go of as soon as they arise. But sometimes in a moment of blindness, verbal and physical reactions can result.
There are practices which seem to cease the compounding for very long periods and the theme is very much "seeing in the seen", "hearing in the heard" and no sense of ""being is arising to be expericned during such periods. The sense of I AM still pops up to interrupt these periods though. It hasn't permanently "disbanded". In other words, I wouldn't say I am familiar with "deathless" as the Buddha saw it (according to Thanissaro's quote). But I am aiming to "disband" the compounding process that causes affective feeling and a sense of "being" to continue arise for good. Without that sense of I AM or sense of being/presence and without affective feelings (which i would equate to a felt sense of "being") arising there is nothing but peace and clarity without an affective filter, objects coming in contact with the senses. The happiness Buddha speaks of sounds nice.
Edited various times due to habitual tendency to type like a monkey and change sentences.