What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Luke » Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:46 pm

cooran wrote:The Real Face of Jesus
Advances in forensic science reveal the most famous face in history.

That's very interesting. Here's the face from that article.
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I think the eyes could have been done better, though. They have the vacant look of a sculpture's eyes and not the knowing look of a spiritual master.

But somehow I don't think churches in the west will change the way they paint Jesus. It's strange how so many Christians would resent a painting of Jesus which did not depict him as a very Anglo-looking man. If a historical Jesus actually existed, he was a Jewish man. It's weird to me how many Christians have had anti-Jewish feelings and think that Jesus was the member of some magical, white race in the middle of a community of Jewish people (well, god knows best and made sure that he had a snow-white prophet to do his most important work. God forbid that god would have sent down an African! We couldn't have a black man on the ceiling of the Vatican, now could we? Lol).

I guess each race would like to think that they are "closer" to Jesus than other races (really spiritual, huh?). Spirituality should transcend ethnicity. I am sure there have been Bodhisattvas of every race during the history of our planet. Every person has Buddha-nature; it's not the property of a single race.

mikenz66 wrote:There is an interesting take on the Garden of Eden by Ajahn Buddhadasa, in No Religion
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhis ... ORELIG.HTM

Awesome article! It's yet another reminder why I continue to be amazed by the depth and wisdom of Buddhism.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:10 pm

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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby KonstantKarma » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:26 pm

I guess it's that people want someone they can 'identify' with. Black churches here in the US often get shirts (en-masse) that say "Jesus was a black man"... the whites think he looked like one of the Beatles.

I guess it has to do with in the same sense how "God" always thinks like the person who believes in him. You know, some people's God hates blacks/jews/gays and wants them dead, and some people's God is loving, warm and fuzzy.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:32 pm

m0rl0ck wrote:
mikenz66 wrote:There is an interesting take on the Garden of Eden by Ajahn Buddhadasa, in No Religion
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhis ... ORELIG.HTM



Interesting :) I wish more christians understood it that way, it would facilitate communication. Unfortunately, for the many that are stuck in literalism, their understanding of their own faith is likely never to get that far.

And, of course, some, such as Richard Gombrich, argue that if Buddhists better understood the Brahminical ideas that formed the background for much of the Buddha's teaching then they would be less literal about their interpretations of some Suttas as well.

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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Euclid » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:13 am

tiltbillings wrote:Theism does present some serious problems.


He who has eyes can see the sickening sight:
Why does not Brahma set his creatures right?
If his wise power no limits can restrain
Why is his hand so rarely spread to bless?
Why are his creatures all condemned to pain?
Why does he not to all give happiness?
Why do fraud, lies, and ignorance prevail?
Why triumphs falsehood - truth and justice fail?
I count your Brahma one the unjust among,
Who made a world in which to shelter wrong
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:16 am

mikenz66 wrote:
m0rl0ck wrote:
mikenz66 wrote:There is an interesting take on the Garden of Eden by Ajahn Buddhadasa, in No Religion
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhis ... ORELIG.HTM



Interesting :) I wish more christians understood it that way, it would facilitate communication. Unfortunately, for the many that are stuck in literalism, their understanding of their own faith is likely never to get that far.

And, of course, some, such as Richard Gombrich, argue that if Buddhists better understood the Brahminical ideas that formed the background for much of the Buddha's teaching then they would be less literal about their interpretations of some Suttas as well.

:anjali:
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:39 am

Buddha Images

Images and pictures of the Buddha are just imitations of the physique of the Buddha.

Burmese sculptors make Buddha’s images in Burmese style; likewise Chinese and Indian sculptors carve in their own styles. The real intention is to make people think of the Buddha and adore him even more.


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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:55 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Buddha Images

Images and pictures of the Buddha are just imitations of the physique of the Buddha.

Burmese sculptors make Buddha’s images in Burmese style; likewise Chinese and Indian sculptors carve in their own styles. The real intention is to make people think of the Buddha and adore him even more.


Mahāgandhayon Sayādaw.
There is at the Minneapolis Insitute of Art's museum a Khemer Buddha-rupa head. It is stunning to see. The artist got it right. Mostly I have a preference for the Greek influenced Buddhist art, which fits my Western aesthetic:
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:07 am

JesusLovesYou wrote:What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Just an informed hunch...but I imagine that the vast majority of those who revere Jesus Christ would be supremely indifferent to what Buddhists think of him.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:28 pm

I think Jesuslovesyou is getting more than what he/she bargained from our bunch :tongue:

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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby alan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:01 am

The intersection of Greek culture and Buddhism is fascinating. Gandharan art was eloquent and beautiful:http://buddhism.about.com/od/buddhisthistory/a/gandhara.htm
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby phil » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:26 am

I think the Gospel of Luke is beautiful and I used to read it every Christmas, and might again if I had a Bible. The message in the Gospels is a message of love and a certain degree of wisdom, but hard to find much of that in a lot of Christianity these days, especially the evangelical variety.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:46 am

Euclid wrote:
Annapurna wrote:A poem just came to my mind:

What we see in the world and in others is a reflection of our own selves....



I don't think this aphorism of yours is true.



I found who write it, it's by one of my favorite Poets, actually, a very famous Poet: Theodor Fontane.

His writings are fundamental teachings in schools and universities here.

The original:


Herze, willst du ganz genesen,
sei selber wahr, sei selber rein!
Was wir in Welt und Menschen lesen,
ist nur der eigne Widerschein.


So, if you want to heal, my heart,
then be truthful and pure yourself.
What we see in others
is only a reflection of our own inner world.

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=we ... rQ&cad=rja
sein sleber rein, sei selber whar.

Actually, he is describing the well known phenomenon of psychological projection, as it is explained in psychoanalysis.
"Projecting our problems onto other people"

Psychological projection is the phenomenon whereby one projects one's own thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so on onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals, parents, children, neighbors, other drivers, political figures, racial groups, states and countries, also occurs).

According to the theories of Sigmund Freud, psychological projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so on onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals and inanimate objects also occurs). The principle of projection is well-established in psychology.

An illustration would be an individual who feels dislike for another person, but whose unconscious mind does not allow them to become aware of this negative emotion. Instead of admitting to themselves that they feel dislike for someone, they project their dislike onto him, so that the individual's conscious thought is not "I don't like Bob," but "Bob doesn't seem to like me or I do not like that certain behavior that Bob does."


More here:

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=we ... HGMCw6j7Aw

I find it so often to be true.

An example. Last week I was ill. I was resting and only trying to keep my biz running, so that I couldn't inform everybody that I am staying away because I am ill.

I had only so much strength.

It was interesting to see what some people assumed of me.

Some quickly assumed I was ill and grew worried, and checked up on me.

One person however, who had been rude to me shortly before that, concluded, that I was "punishing" him for that, and that I stayed away out of revenge.

In return, he tried to 'punish' me, and also reviled me with harsh words.

Told, I was ill, he could not believe it, and so accused me of being a liar.

Me, a Buddhist.... ;)

He is still upset, and doesn't accept I was ill.

I don't know why he assumes I am lying, -but yes, I do.

I noticed a few lies of his, but didn't confront him with it.

That said, he is projecting his own inner liarhood onto me.

Also, he thinks I wanted to retaliate, because that is something he does.

See?

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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:08 pm

Not sure what any of that has to do with Jesus the alleged Christ
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:58 pm

I thought that was obvious.

People shared what they think about Jesus.

It came to my mind, that by what they are saying about him they are also saying a lot about themselves.

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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:31 am

Annapurna wrote:I thought that was obvious.

People shared what they think about Jesus.

It came to my mind, that by what they are saying about him they are also saying a lot about themselves.

Links (water) have been provided for the reader. (horse) ;)
Given that you have essentially made a very negative assessment of those who do not find Jesus all that he is cracked up to be by some, what are you projecting? This " obvious" point of yours is, in effect, an ad hominem.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby alan » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:17 am

Don't see an ad hom here.
Misperceptions, yes, but nothing to warrant any other claims.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Luke » Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:20 pm

Upon further reflection, I just see Jesus as a waste of time. There are still many Buddhist texts which I haven't read yet, and my time would be better spent focusing on those. I've never read the complete Nikayas, for example...

However, being kind to Christians is not a waste of time because it's important to try and benefit all beings without discrimination.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Nibbida » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:15 pm

There are as many opinions as there are Buddhists.
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Re: What do Buddhists think of Jesus Christ?

Postby Wednesday » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:30 pm

I consider jesus christ to be an arahant. My opinion.
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