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The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka - Dhamma Wheel

The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

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The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Ravana » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:54 am

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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:20 am

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Ravana » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:30 am

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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Snowmelt » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:32 am

A trio of telling broadsides! :) I will follow with interest.

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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Ravana » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:48 am

My point was that the various accusations that are thrown as the traditional interpretations actually boil down to either the notion of what an Arahat is as described in the canon, or the historical accounts of the tradition. What I expected from the thread was ideas supporting/refuting these accusations. I think Ven. Pesala has raised an important point that ultimately, only practice will reveal the truth.
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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Rui Sousa » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:01 pm

Many academics have their own background and they tend to see things from a specific point of view, I find it hard to see academics with a good conceptual understanding of Buddhism. I have either had contact or read texts from academics who see Buddhism as merely another offspring of the vedic tradition, and incurring in gross mistakes such as presenting Brahman as the "creator of life" in the Budhist tradition. (Read this last night in a translation of the Dhammapada)

The word of someone who has followed the path, even a Sotapanna, seems to me as more reliable than the word of someone who has just read about the path.
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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Rui Sousa » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:23 pm

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Re: The Arahats of Theravada and the Reliability of the Tipitaka

Postby Snowmelt » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:45 pm

To me it is a serious question as to what extent one should, having assiduously followed the advice of the Kalama Sutta and so determined for oneself that the Dhamma is efficacious and worthy of full devotion, just dive in, disregarding all external notions of truth and falsehood as hindrances to advancement, and practice, exclusively adopting the Dhamma itself as one's moral universe, examining the Dhamma itself according to its own exhortations and strictures. This is an idea I have been toying with recently: what have the Western notions of truth and falsehood, or perhaps better stated, the feverish promotion of the importance of truth and falsehood in the West ever done for me? The world is as full of lies as it ever was, and I am as helpless in their grip as anyone ever was - except for the escape the Dhamma offers. Bhikkhu Bodhi, if I recall correctly, has pointed out that the Kalama Sutta does *not* indicate that trust (we can also call it faith) is not required to follow the path: the Kalamas themselves were not followers of the Buddha at the time of its delivery, so the advice given to them is not the advice to be given to a follower of the Dhamma, one who has already accepted it into their heart. There is no hell waiting for one who does so, in my opinion: life can only get better. :)

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Postby Rui Sousa » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:41 pm

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