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... to spend more on beer?Jhana4 wrote:Survey: 21% of U.S. college students limit meat consumption
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It's basically a vegan diet without added oils. Dr. Macdougal has advocated a similar or same diet since the 1970s. My wife and I tried it for a little while, but found it was kind of boring without oils. The vegan part is not too hard to do with some creative recipes and adjusting ethnic foods such as Indian, Chinese, etc., to a vegan recipe, but without oil it is difficult to get the foods to taste good.The Esselstyn diet is tough for most Americans to swallow: no meat, no eggs, no dairy, no added oils.
You are right... but probably we just have to high expectations... when I say "we" I mean most people in society.David N. Snyder wrote:but without oil it is difficult to get the foods to taste good.
Alan, I'd actually trust a Cardiologist in this case above a dietitian - having worked for many years in a large health system with both professions.alan said: I don't think you will ever find a serious dietician who would claim to have found a traditional society that has survived on a vegan diet. If so, I would like to hear it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/1 ... roof.diet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;‘’ Certain cultures around the world do not suffer from heart disease, the No. 1 killer in the Western world.
Esselstyn's practice took a dramatic turn -- from performing surgery to promoting nutrition. For more than 20 years, the Cleveland Clinic doctor has tried to get Americans to eat like the Papua New Guinea highlanders, rural Chinese, central Africans and the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico.’’
For most time of human history, life expectancy of humans was very low, somewhere around 35 years, maybe a bit more or less.alan wrote: are now, for no reason asserted, subject to a disease that did not kill off our predecessors..
As David2 mentioned, many of the traditional societies had life expectancies that were too short, so there was no chance to develop heart disease.alan wrote: Rational proof, please. Show me why human animals, who evolved eating other animals over an almost unbelievable length of time, are now, for no reason asserted, subject to a disease that did not kill off our predecessors. I don't buy the idea.
Has there aver been a culture that was purely vegan? Not that I can tell.
Don't worry, spices like curry, cinammon, and ginger are good for you. They help lower insulin and cholesterol. I don't have a link just at hand, but if you google you will find plenty of sources.David N. Snyder wrote:At the moment, I still enjoy some good tasting foods, but still try to keep them as healthy as possible, for example mostly vegan. I "spice" it up with curries and other seasonings, but I agree definitely sustenance should be our goal.
Yes, exactly; some delicious foods are healthy too, such as curry veggies, curry tofu, veggie-ginger stir fry. But if you add coconut milk and/or oil, it may not be compatible with the Esselstyn diet.octathlon wrote: Don't worry, spices like curry, cinammon, and ginger are good for you. They help lower insulin and cholesterol. I don't have a link just at hand, but if you google you will find plenty of sources.