what is a mirror for? you don't like your own words do you viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9229&start=1700#p198868
but I am the one apparently expounding false teachings, even when I and others can walk the walk of what I believe to be the case.
I am definately not saying I am 100% correct on things. But my argument is based on an ability to put the texts into practice in different situations - which also take into account the ethical and philosophic underpinnings - so it ceases to be pure speculation when there is a demonstrable practicability.
I may not be able to prove an enlightened being is X, Y, or Z, however, I can show through a testable example and records of such behavior - which can either in part or full be applied to multiple situations - whether or not something is likely, no cop-out, and what is less likely to be the case can be seen through this application and be discarded due to that.
you may say non-harmonious, I disagree, it is harsh, but there is a reason, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... gment.html
when you have several times ignored what has been said - either by myself or within the texts - due to a rational they are false teachings without evidence, and thus said dispraise on the teachings, and as a result of this dispraised the Tathagata I am to the extent we are Brothers in the Dhamma obliged!
some may not have the inclination to deal with straw-man or other fallacy arguments of non-practical opinion or popularity, but these are some of the least of my concerns when talking to others here.
I have a guideline with regard to false teachings, which I will share with you just one more time, because you don't seem to be able to understand, and as a result, not only reject it, but it seems to frustrate and anger you to the point that you are willing to malign others, who do not agree with you. Here is the guideline one more time:
Buddha's have certain characteristics that are described by the preponderance of their followers. The prime characteristic is compliance with The Noble Eight Fold Path, which is the foundation for all precepts, the foremost being "Cause no harm." Therefore, any teaching, which any reasonable (wise) person upon reflection as if in a mirror would, or could cause harm, would not be taught by a Buddha. Therefore, any such teaching no matter where it is reported is to be "suspect". A person who believes everything without personally verifying and validating ( as you say that you do) is therefore potentially acting under the influence of Mara's many guises to defile and distort The Dhamma.
My suggestion to you is to review and study
The Ten Perfections (Parami's), wherein you will find what ( I believe)all Buddha's must practice to reach attainment:http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/stud ... tions.html
Nowhere in these will you find that a Buddha, or any being on the path to perfection supports slaughter to support their culinary needs.
Cittasanto: you may say non-harmonious, I disagree, it is harsh, but there is a reason...,
This "debate" has gotten to the point of being non-harmonious, because I can see the formation of "egos" arising to the defense of specious views, which result is always non-harmonious. For example you imply that you are capable of "judging others" elevating your(delusional) self above others, by citing this in your last comment:
Regard him as one who
the wise one who
seeing your faults
Stay with this sort of sage.
For the one who stays
with a sage of this sort,
things get better,
— Dhp 76
To judge others calling yourself "sage", while (in your sage judgement) the other is in your opinion a "fool" and to offer them uninvited criticism in your judgement is invasive, and definitely non-harmonious, and therefore, I will no longer participate in what has become a diatribe between us in this thread.
So, let's agree to end with a summary ( final )comment from you, which explains your conclusions regarding this topic, (please) without the ad-hominum attacks to which you are now resorting. This means that you will get the very last word between you and I re. this topic, which should thereby satisfy your frustrations. Please stick to the topic, and cease attacking others out of your personal frustrations, which results in causing harm., which is what I meant by "non-harmonious speech" Be at peace Dear Friend, Cittasanto.
As always, I look forward to reading and learning from your posts both now and in the future.