Ron-The-Elder wrote:Dear Friend Cittasanto: And your point is?
there is a reason I said you are expounding a Nigantha (Jain) view, not a Buddhist one, and am trying to understand the shift from point "A" to "π"
do read this post and your response viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9229&start=1720#p199133
My other point you apparently miss, or with which you disagree, is that Plants are life-forms, too and in many respects sentient if not sapient! Therefore none of us are free from the guilt of killing to eat except for fruitatarianism and scavaging.
you really should read the posts.
Instead of ignoring posts because you deem them as false teachings, try reading and understanding them, and I would suggest you look up what a being is in Buddhism and have recently expressed it in a post but can not find it although here is the sutta I referenced, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
But I will say again unless someone intentionally takes a life through body speech or mind they are not guilty of killing.
In my case, health put me down the nutritional path that I am on.
great, there is nothing wrong with staying healthy, or with the intention to stay healthy, it is the reason to eat try looking at the reflection on using the requisites.
Wisely reflecting, i use alms food: not for fun, not for pleasure, not for fattening, not for beautification, only for the maintenance and nourishment of this body, for keeping it healthy, for helping with the Holy Life; thinking thus, “I will allay hunger without overeating, so that I may continue to live blamelessly and at ease.”
now the difference here between the fact that this is for mendicants and not lay people is that it is still applicable for lay people, as it is encouraging to eat only what is needed to stay healthy, and preform ones tasks. a neutral interpretive take could be
(change underlined)Wisely reflecting, i use food: not for fun, not for pleasure, not for fattening, not for beautification, only for the maintenance and nourishment of this body, for keeping it healthy, for helping with life's tasks; thinking thus, “I will allay hunger without overeating, so that I may continue to live blamelessly and at ease.”
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9229&start=1680#p198095 (another one of my mentioning of health)
and I do note the Buddha would consider more than a limited set of information seeing as he is all knowing.
One kills living beings by one's own hand
One urges another to do it
One grants permission to another to do it
One speaks in praise of killing
do note these are all direct intentional actions to kill through body speech or mind, not including an intent to sustain oneself through nutriment, as you have claimed.