Re: Which diet are you?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:00 am
According to your list my diet is Lacto-ovo vegetarianism that is a vegetarian diet that permits consumption of animal products such eggs, milk, and honey.
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I have a guideline with regard to false teachings, which I will share with you just one more time, because you don't seem to be able to understand, and as a result, not only reject it, but it seems to frustrate and anger you to the point that you are willing to malign others, who do not agree with you. Here is the guideline one more time:Cittasanto wrote: what is a mirror for? you don't like your own words do you http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 00#p198868" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; but I am the one apparently expounding false teachings, even when I and others can walk the walk of what I believe to be the case.
I am definately not saying I am 100% correct on things. But my argument is based on an ability to put the texts into practice in different situations - which also take into account the ethical and philosophic underpinnings - so it ceases to be pure speculation when there is a demonstrable practicability.
I may not be able to prove an enlightened being is X, Y, or Z, however, I can show through a testable example and records of such behavior - which can either in part or full be applied to multiple situations - whether or not something is likely, no cop-out, and what is less likely to be the case can be seen through this application and be discarded due to that.
you may say non-harmonious, I disagree, it is harsh, but there is a reason, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... gment.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
when you have several times ignored what has been said - either by myself or within the texts - due to a rational they are false teachings without evidence, and thus said dispraise on the teachings, and as a result of this dispraised the Tathagata I am to the extent we are Brothers in the Dhamma obliged!
some may not have the inclination to deal with straw-man or other fallacy arguments of non-practical opinion or popularity, but these are some of the least of my concerns when talking to others here.
This "debate" has gotten to the point of being non-harmonious, because I can see the formation of "egos" arising to the defense of specious views, which result is always non-harmonious. For example you imply that you are capable of "judging others" elevating your(delusional) self above others, by citing this in your last comment:Cittasanto: you may say non-harmonious, I disagree, it is harsh, but there is a reason...,
To judge others calling yourself "sage", while (in your sage judgement) the other is in your opinion a "fool" and to offer them uninvited criticism in your judgement is invasive, and definitely non-harmonious, and therefore, I will no longer participate in what has become a diatribe between us in this thread.Regard him as one who
points out
treasure,
the wise one who
seeing your faults
rebukes you.
Stay with this sort of sage.
For the one who stays
with a sage of this sort,
things get better,
not worse.
— Dhp 76
Sorry! No time for pointless pursuits. I have kazoo lessons tonight!Cittasanto wrote:Ron
Please read what I said again and try to respond to what has been said instead of distorting and changing the subject!
I understood your guidelines originally and they do not make me angry. However, I have noted to you that this does not take into account other factors which I have shown you, the Buddha took into consideration when formulating the rules and by which you rationalize eating flesh.
OK,Ron-The-Elder wrote:Sorry! No time for pointless pursuits. I have kazoo lessons tonight!Cittasanto wrote:Ron
Please read what I said again and try to respond to what has been said instead of distorting and changing the subject!
I understood your guidelines originally and they do not make me angry. However, I have noted to you that this does not take into account other factors which I have shown you, the Buddha took into consideration when formulating the rules and by which you rationalize eating flesh.
Hypocritical arguments are not worth the Bandwidth!ancientbuddhism wrote: I cannot engage in your specious, straw-man arguments.
Great! So, follow your own advice.Cittasanto wrote:
Hypocritical arguments are not worth the Bandwidth!
"While walking, contemplative,
you say, 'I have stopped.'
But when I have stopped
you say I haven't.
I ask you the meaning of this:
How have you stopped?
How haven't I?"
[The Buddha:]
"I have stopped, Angulimala,
once & for all,
having cast off violence
toward all living beings.
You, though,
are unrestrained toward beings.
That's how I've stopped
and you haven't."
[Angulimala:]
"At long last a greatly revered great seer
for my sake
has come to the great forest.
Having heard your verse
in line with the Dhamma,
I will go about
having abandoned evil."
So saying, the bandit
hurled his sword & weapons
over a cliff
into a chasm,
a pit.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_in_Buddhism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Main article: Vegetarianism in Buddhism
A basic precept in Buddhism is that of non-harm. Actions which result in the taking of life, directly or indirectly, contradict this basic Buddhist precept.
Many Buddhists in many countries, including monks, are not vegetarians. However in recent years some people's attitudes are changing. In January 2007, the 17th Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje (The identification of the 17th Karmapa is disputed, see Karmapa controversy), instructed all his monasteries and centres to become vegetarian.
There has been some contention about interpretations of the sūtras. One interpretation is that eating of meat is not explicitly prohibited in the suttas and Vinaya of the Pāli canon which encourage monks to accept whatever food they are given. However, monks are forbidden from accepting animal flesh if they know, believe or suspect that the animal in question was killed especially for them, i.e., if the visits of begging monks have become an occasion for the slaughter of animals.
In the Laṅkāvatāra & Aṅgulimāla sutra the Buddha explicitly prohibits the eating of meat, fish and any animal products which are the result of harming and killing of any sentient being. The Buddha states the only time it is acceptable for a monastic to accept and eat the flesh of sentient beings is for medicinal purposes only if the animal died in accordance with the Dharma, meaning the animal died of natural causes.
This site seams to sugest that even strength sports do not need to have very high protein intake, http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0309.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;David N. Snyder wrote:Endurance sports work well with a vegetarian or especially a vegan diet. The fruits, veggies, legumes, and grains are the perfect fuel for the long distances.
Ironically, the strength athletes of Carl Lewis and Mike Tyson are both vegans. Although, both became vegans after their sports career was over.
so as earlier links show vegan body builders... it would be a personal consideration.The common folklore in strength sports is that a high-protein diet is required. The consensus of most sports scientists is that, although the protein needs of strength athletes are slightly higher than the general population, high levels of protein intake are not necessary. In fact, in the quest for protein, many strength athletes end up eating unhealthy high-fat diets. The key issue for bulking up is adequate energy intake alongside a training programme. A high-energy intake from nutritious food will also be high in protein, carbohydrate, vitamins and minerals.
if you continue to read the rules there you will see it was over turned in the next two legislation set out. the third of which was already put in place earlier in the vinaya also.Ron-The-Elder wrote:From The Vinaya II:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... o/bmc2.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyone familiar with why Mangoes are excluded from a Bhikkhu's Diet?