tiltbillings wrote:Then you should not complain when someone snipes at your snipes.
If I have presented an illogical or ill-founded argument or conclusion at any point in this conversation, I open the floor to anyone to provide a counter-argument that addresses the argument in question. Please Tilt, be my guest.
tiltbillings wrote:That is nice that you have read all those things, but the point is that, before dismissing a point of view out of hand such as the bhavanga, you should be able to make the argument for that point of view, showing that you actually understand it.
Make an argument for the opposing point of view? That's a new one. I'm happy to explain or define it as accurately as I can, but I'm not going to put forward arguments in favour of something I don't believe. That would be hypocritical and against the conventions of debate. (You may observe that my original post, which you found so inappropriate, contained a full dictionary-sourced defintion of bhavanga-citta)
tiltbillings wrote:The question is, for you, can a traditional Theravadin find awakening, or are they all -- to use your words -- wallowing in "I-making?"
Given my inability to penetrate their minds in order to know what they're thinking and how they're interpreting what they read of the Dhamma, I don't see how I could answer that. I doubt anyone's Dhammic path involves intentional wallowing in "I-making", nor does the Theravada tradition teach the wallowing in "I-making"... some parts just seem more actively geared against that "I-making" tendency than others.