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Abhidhamma Study: Eighteen Elements(dhaatu)

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Abhidhamma Study: Eighteen Elements(dhaatu)

Postby yawares » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:17 pm

Dear Members,

:candle: Abhidhamma Study: Eighteen Elements(dhaatu) :candle:
[Presented by Dr.Tep Sastri @ SD/JTN/Mult]


Often I wonder what 'dhaatu' actually means. The English renditions of dhaatu have been :
element, principle, and property. But, the meanings of these three words are very different! Let me show you.

Element:

A fundamental, essential, or irreducible constituent of a composite entity; a member of a set;
an environment naturally suited to or associated with an individual; an environment naturally
suited to or associated with an individual; a distinct group within a larger community.
[Synonyms for element are: component, constituent, factor, ingredient.]


Principle:

A basic generalization that is accepted as true and that can be used as a basis for reasoning
or conduct; a basic truth or law or assumption; a rule or law concerning a natural phenomenon
or the function of a complex system; (law) an explanation of the fundamental reasons
(especially an explanation of the working of some device in terms of laws of nature).


Property:

Something owned; a piece of real estate; something tangible or intangible to which its owner
has legal title; possessions considered as a group; the right of ownership; title; a special capability
or power; a virtue; a construct whereby objects or individuals can be distinguished; any movable
articles or objects used on the set of a play or movie.


So, now you see my point -it is really confusing, isn't it?
.........................

Let's turn to CMA VII, Compendium of Categories, #37: the Eighteen Elements.

"The eighteen elements are : (1) the eye element(cakkhu-dhaatu), (2) the ear element(sota-),
(3) the nose element(ghaana-dhaatu), (4) the tongue element(jivhaa-dhaatu),
(5) the body element(kaaya-dhaatu), (6) the visible form element(ruupa-dhaatu),
(7) the sound element(sadda-dhaatu), (8) the smell element(gandha-dhaatu),
(9) the taste element(rasa-dhaatu, (10) the tangible element(pho.t.thabbba-dhaatu),
(11) the eye-consciousness element(cakkhuvi~n~naa.na-dhaatu), (12) the ear-consciousness element
(sotavi~n~naa.na-dhaatu), (13) the nose-consciousness element(ghaanavi~n~naa.na-dhaatu),
(14) the tongue-consciousness element(jivhaavi~n~naa.na-dhaatu), (15) the body-consciousness element
(kaayavi~n~naa.na-dhaatu), (16) the mind element(mano-dhaatu), (17) the mental-object element
(dhamma-dhaatu), (18) the mind-consciousness element(manovi~n~naa.na-dhaatu).

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Re: Abhidhamma Study: Eighteen Elements(dhaatu)

Postby gavesako » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:30 pm

Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: Abhidhamma Study: Eighteen Elements(dhaatu)

Postby yawares » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:39 pm

[quote="gavesako"]Yes, indeed it is hard to find a good translation for this Pali word "dhatu".
Dear Bhikkhu Gavesako,

I copied/posted your 18 elements @ SariputtaDhamma/JTN/Mult...so Tep/members can read.

I have The 5th Elements (DVD)/Thanks/wait for your Tudong story/hope you get my email about the sandals:jumping: ,
yawares
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Re: Abhidhamma Study: Eighteen Elements(dhaatu)

Postby yawares » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:07 pm

[quote="gavesako"]Yes, indeed it is hard to find a good translation for this Pali word "dhatu".

There are many things called "dhatu" in the Pali texts, see:

[quote] (THE ELEMENTS)
Dear Bhikkhu Gavesako,

Tep asked me to post this for you:

I wish to thank Bhikkhu Gavesako for his comment on dhatu("elements") with a quote from MN 115 that provides other ways "in which a monk can be called skilled in the elements". The "reduction technique" used by the Buddha, which reduces the number of dhatu from eighteen to six and finally to two, also helps reduce my confusion. I no longer worry about the 18 dhatu because of the Buddha's assurance that knowing and seeing the conditioned and the unconditioned is enough to be skillful in the elements.

Thanks,
Tep


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