Seventeen thought moments

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Seventeen thought moments

Postby SarathW » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:37 am

Did Buddha talk about seventeen thought moments? If so can you give me the link for the related Sutta.

For the benefit of the beginner please read the attached link, to learn about seventeen thought moments. ... el322.html
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Re: Seventeen thought moments

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:16 am

Hi SarathW,

There are two issues here:

1. Did the Buddha teach the Abhidhamma? This is a debate which belongs outside this particular forum, in

2. Where are the mind-moments spelled out (in the Abhidhamma itself, or in the Commentaries)?

I don't know the answer to the second question, since I only have a copy of the Comprehensive Manual of the Abhidhamma, which is a late commentary [See: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=826 for an on-line version]. I hope someone can chip in and inform us.


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Re: Seventeen thought moments

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:29 am

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Re: Seventeen thought moments

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Re: Seventeen thought moments

Postby SarathW » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:38 am

Hi Mike
What a debate!
Thanks for the link. You said
“This whole thread is starting to puzzle me. It seems clear that the translation of many technical points in the Suttas is only possible with a careful reading of commentaries and a lifetime of study.”

I wish to add that by practicing and experience oneself will find the answer. By the way I do not venerate books. For me it is not possible to understand anything in this world by only reading a book. To me it is the difference between a medical student and the practicing doctor.

I have read Narada’s Manual of Abhidhamma many times in conjunction with N.G.K Mendis “The Abhidhamma in Practice”. Though it is not easy to read I think every Buddhist should read them.

In regard to seventeen thought moment, I do not think that Buddha ever will teach something like that, as it is make the Dhamma even harder to understand. However I am not prepared to throw it out the window yet. When I was eleven years old I remember my brain was ticking very fast, when thought occurred to me. I never bother to count them because I thought it was normal! ... el322.html
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