Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painful)?

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Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painful)?

Postby EmptyCittas1by1 » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:08 pm

Hello, DW, this has me stuck a little.

Some Dhammatalks by Ajahn Chah/Ajahn Maha Boowa have said that feelings are the pleasant/neutral/painful qualities of experience. Do they mean that these are different ways to classify feelings, or are these feelings themselves? In other words: is feeling just what we think of feelings? Do the actual sensations/sights/sounds fall under the "form" aggregate?
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:49 pm

The word "feeling" in buddhist psychology doesn't refer to emotions, just to the quality of pleasant, unpleaseant, or neutral.

It's probably better to think of it as "feeling tone".
"Proper effort is not the effort to make something particular happen. It is the effort to be aware and awake each moment." - Ajahn Chah
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"Know and watch your heart. It’s pure but emotions come to colour it." — Ajahn Chah

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Postby EmptyCittas1by1 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:05 am

Goofaholix wrote:The word "feeling" in buddhist psychology doesn't refer to emotions, just to the quality of pleasant, unpleaseant, or neutral.

It's probably better to think of it as "feeling tone".


So if I were to touch ice and find it unpleasant, that would be the feeling, not the coldness?
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."

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Postby Goofaholix » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:08 am

The coldness is a physical sensation, this is followed by an unpleasant feeling tone.
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Postby EmptyCittas1by1 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:36 am

Goofaholix wrote:The coldness is a physical sensation, this is followed by an unpleasant feeling tone.


Since it's not the "feeling tone", does it fall under a different aggregate? Or is it still the feeling aggregate?
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."

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Postby Goofaholix » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:42 am

EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:Since it's not the "feeling tone", does it fall under a different aggregate? Or is it still the feeling aggregate?


You mean the physical sensation of coldness? this would come under the form aggregate (rupa).
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"When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness. When we stop clinging, we can begin to be happy." - Ajahn Chah
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Postby EmptyCittas1by1 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:56 am

Goofaholix wrote:
EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:Since it's not the "feeling tone", does it fall under a different aggregate? Or is it still the feeling aggregate?


You mean the physical sensation of coldness? this would come under the form aggregate (rupa).


Thanks! Does the same apply to seeing things, hearing things, etc?
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."

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Postby Goofaholix » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:27 am

EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:Thanks! Does the same apply to seeing things, hearing things, etc?


Yes.
"Proper effort is not the effort to make something particular happen. It is the effort to be aware and awake each moment." - Ajahn Chah
"When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness. When we stop clinging, we can begin to be happy." - Ajahn Chah
"Know and watch your heart. It’s pure but emotions come to colour it." — Ajahn Chah

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Postby EmptyCittas1by1 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:34 am

Goofaholix wrote:
EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:Thanks! Does the same apply to seeing things, hearing things, etc?


Yes.


Thank you very much
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."

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