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bhavanga

Postby jajas » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:17 am

Dear people.

Can anyone tell me about bavangha? a freind of mine has experianced it during vipasana meditation. But has not got a clou what to think of it. (8.09 amsterdam, holland)
She exprienced nothing for a while. As if a piece of time just had not existed. (12.02 amsterdam, holland)
Does anyone know how to treat it during vipasanameditation. She experiences it reguraly in periodes from short moments to 15 minutes and sometimes even longer. (Thursday, 6.38, amsterdam, holland)


Thanks

Marc
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Re: bavangha

Postby robertk » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:36 am

do you mean bhanga?
if your friend experrinced this she has gained a very high level of vipassana and has dispelled wrong view to a major extent.

Unfortunately there are thousands of people who are self deluded about attaining such stages.

which category she is in is anyones guess.

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Re: bavangha

Postby purple planet » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:29 am

I heared about this but not as a stage but as a feeling in meditation not as an attainment ( i know there is an insight stage that has this name) where you sit and the time passes by and you thought you were sleeping when you sat - but its very similar to sleeping during the sitting meditation so its very easy to confuse the two - i am not sure at all but it might happen when theres no defilements at a certain moment or something like that




( if i understand correct! which i probably and usually dont ! )
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Re: bavangha

Postby jajas » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:01 am

No It is not bangha. She exprienced nothing for a while. As if a piece of time just had not existed.

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Re: bavangha

Postby James the Giant » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:30 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: bavangha

Postby Sokehi » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:15 pm

Interesting. Is this something beneficial? It sounds like "killing time" with a blank state where their is no wisdom developed or paramitas strengthened. Just asking, never heard about this "stage" ever before.
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Re: bavangha

Postby purple planet » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:21 pm

i read about this a long time ago - but where i saw it - it said its legit meditation time - even if you were not "active"

edit : guess i was wrong by reading other comments that were posted after
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Re: bavangha

Postby robertk » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:25 pm

Oh Bhavanga.
It occurs repeatedly during deep sleep for long periods.

During the daytime it is much more intermittent.

Anyway nothing to be alarmed about.

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Re: bavangha

Postby SarathW » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:45 pm

27. Thought-Process—
The subject, the consciousness, receives objects from
within and without. When a person is in a state of profound
sleep his mind is said to be vacant, or, in other
words, in a state of Bhavaïga. We always experience such
a passive state when our minds do not respond to external
objects. This flow of Bhavaïga is interrupted when objects
enter the mind. Then the Bhavaïga consciousness
vibrates for one thought-moment and passes away.

Page 49
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: bhavanga

Postby jajas » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:26 am

Does anyone know how to treat it during vipasanameditation?
She experiences it reguraly in periodes from short moments to 15 minutes and sometimes even longer.

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Re: bavangha

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Re: bhavanga

Postby purple planet » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:25 am

so how to avoid entering that state when doing mahsi style meditation ?
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Re: bhavanga

Postby pabhaata » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:09 pm

if you are hitting this kind of 'non-perception' state often - then try opening your eyes and meditating.
with your eyes open - pay attention to your palms and finger tips continuously and at the same time be aware of your breath also (you can try to do the same with the toes and soles also). this prevents you from getting into the 'non-perception' state and also improves your meditation.


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