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Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby phil » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:09 am

I heard a teacher say that the other meaning of bhikkhu is he who sees danger in the round of rebirths. Can anyone provide a textual reference for that?

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Re: Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby cooran » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:28 am

The meaning of the word Bhikkhu from the Pali English dictionary:

It shows that the first syllable can be interpreted as 'fear'

http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/p ... li.1815245

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Re: Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby phil » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:53 am

cooran wrote:The meaning of the word Bhikkhu from the Pali English dictionary:

It shows that the first syllable can be interpreted as 'fear'

http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/p ... li.1815245

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Thanks Chris.
(Interesting sidenote for anyone who studies Japanese that the onomatopoeia for going around in a state of fear is biku biku)

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Re: Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby culaavuso » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:00 am

cooran wrote:The meaning of the word Bhikkhu from the Pali English dictionary:

It shows that the first syllable can be interpreted as 'fear'

http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/p ... li.1815245


This points out a quote from the Visuddhimagga:

Pali-English Dictionary: Bhikkhu wrote:(c) Whereas in a & b the first syllable bhi( -- kkhu) is referred to bhid, in this def. it is referred to bhī (to fear), with the further reference of (bh -- ) ikkh(u) to īkṣ (to see), and bhikkhu defined as "saŋsāre bhayaŋ ikkhati ti bh." Vism 3, 16 (saŋsāre bhayaŋ ikkhaṇatāya vā bhinna -- paṭa -- dharaditāya vā).


This can be found in the translation of the Visuddhimagga by Ven. Bhikkhu Ñāṇamoli

The Path of Purification (p. 8) translated by Ven. Bhikkhu Ñāṇamoli wrote:He sees fear (bhayaṃ ikkhati) in the round of rebirths, thus he is a bhikkhu.
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Re: Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby phil » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:42 pm

culaavuso wrote:
cooran wrote:The meaning of the word Bhikkhu from the Pali English dictionary:

It shows that the first syllable can be interpreted as 'fear'

http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/p ... li.1815245


This points out a quote from the Visuddhimagga:

Pali-English Dictionary: Bhikkhu wrote:(c) Whereas in a & b the first syllable bhi( -- kkhu) is referred to bhid, in this def. it is referred to bhī (to fear), with the further reference of (bh -- ) ikkh(u) to īkṣ (to see), and bhikkhu defined as "saŋsāre bhayaŋ ikkhati ti bh." Vism 3, 16 (saŋsāre bhayaŋ ikkhaṇatāya vā bhinna -- paṭa -- dharaditāya vā).



This can be found in the translation of the Visuddhimagga by Ven. Bhikkhu Ñāṇamoli

The Path of Purification (p. 8) translated by Ven. Bhikkhu Ñāṇamoli wrote:He sees fear (bhayaṃ ikkhati) in the round of rebirths, thus he is a bhikkhu.



Thanks, culaavuso. :smile:

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Re: Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby gavesako » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:42 pm

This is an example of "folk etymology" which is often used by the Pali commentaries to explain the meaning of some terms, but it would not be acceptable by scholars as actual etymology of the word bhikkhu.
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Re: Other meaning of bhikkhu

Postby phil » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:41 am

gavesako wrote:This is an example of "folk etymology" which is often used by the Pali commentaries to explain the meaning of some terms, but it would not be acceptable by scholars as actual etymology of the word bhikkhu.


Thank you, Bhante.

I think I can see what you mean, yesterday I was reading the commentary to the Satipatthana sutta and there are so many possible translations for ekaayano ayam bhiikhave maggo, the one path, the direct path, the only path, the one-way path and so on it seems different teachers latch onto different ones according to the desired interpretation.

In any case I think it is encouraging for lay followers to at least reflect on the sincerity of their questn in terms of that alternative meaning of bhikkhu without needing to lose appreciation of and respect for the stricter meaning.

I guess this should've been in the Pali language forum but probably we will be done with this now.

Edit- I just came across this in the commentary to the Satipatthana sutta: "Bhikkhus - this is a term for addressing person who accept the teaching" and in the explanation "bhikkhus is a term to indicate a person who earnestly endeavors to accomplish the practice of the teaching." More folk etmology, and also more encouragement...


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