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by KathyC » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:05 pm
I'm wondering if anyone could possibly help me. I am looking for a quote. I think it was from the Buddha. The general topic was that all beings, unless awakened, were mad. It made some reference to beings being like sticky lumps of dough. Does anyone have any idea where this was from? Or is it my frazzled memory!
Thank you
Kathy
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by Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:49 pm
KathyC wrote:I'm wondering if anyone could possibly help me. I am looking for a quote. I think it was from the Buddha. The general topic was that all beings, unless awakened, were mad. It made some reference to beings being like sticky lumps of dough. Does anyone have any idea where this was from? Or is it my frazzled memory!
It is not your frazzled memory, just a half-baked idea. I don't know about the two lumps of dough, but the idea that all worldlings (puthujjanā) are mad, in the sense of having no control over their minds, is a common statement. It comes from the Commentary though, so may not be the direct words of the Buddha.
Psychotherapy in BuddhismThe commentary of Majjhima Nikaya ‘Papancasudani’ says that – “All worldly beings are deranged”, “Sabbe puthujjana ummataka”
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by KathyC » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:50 am
Thank you. That rings a bell. I have no idea where the dough came into it. Thanks again, Kathy
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by KathyC » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:16 am
I have just been told that the 'sticky ball of dough' idea is related to a literal translation of puthujjana. Maybe not as half-baked as I thought.
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by retrofuturist » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:46 am
Greetings,
KathyC wrote:Maybe not as half-baked as I thought.
In that case, not baked at all!
Bhikkhu Pesala's puns are cool.
Metta,
Retro.

If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra PanyapatipoDharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum)
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by Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:47 am
KathyC wrote:I have just been told that the 'sticky ball of dough' idea is related to a literal translation of puthujjana. Maybe not as half-baked as I thought.
I don't know of any such etymology.
Puthujjana just means "the common man." See also the entry for
puthu.
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