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Again and Again ....

Postby cooran » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:48 am

Hello all,

Somewhere ... I read a post quoting a sutta in full about the pointlessness of Sa.msaric life after life.
It contained the words by the Buddha "Again and again ...." (repeated at the beginning of each line of the short sutta, about rebecoming ).
I was in the middle of another task, and thought I would come back to the Sutta as it struck a chord with me.
Now, I can't remember where I saw it .... and IT IS DRIVING ME CRAZY trying to find it.
Can anyone help please .....?

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Re: Again and Again ....

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:50 am

Hate when that happens, but I cannot help you, though it sounds intertesting; hope someone can come up with it.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Again and Again ....

Postby Ben » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:01 pm

Hi Chris

Is this it?

On a certain occasion the Blessed One went to a certain house set apart for sick bhikkhus and, having sat down on a seat prepared for him, said this: "Mindfully and with complete awareness should a bhikkhu meet his end. This is the advice I give you."

Again and again, the seeds of corn are sown;
Again and again, the deities send down rain;
Again and again, the farmers plow the fields;
Again and again, the country is enriched.
Again and again, the almsmen beg for alms;
Again and again, the kindly givers give;
And giving repeatedly, the givers make;
Again and again, for happy worlds above.
Again and again, the milk is drawn from cows;
Again and again, the calf goes to its dam;
Again and again, a being tires and quakes;
Again and again, the fool goes to the womb.
Again and again, comes birth and death to you;
Again and again, men bear you to the grave.
But he who sees clearly, having known the path;
Which leads not to birth, does not rise again.


I found it in an essay by Soma Thera on Samsara on accesstoinsight, but unfortunately, there appears to be no citation!
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... bl079.html

Metta

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Re: Again and Again ....

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:49 pm

Hi Chris,

    punappunañceva vapanti bījaṃ,
    punappunaṃ vassati devarājā.
    punappunaṃ khettaṃ kasanti kassakā,
    punappunaṃ dhaññamupeti raṭṭhaṃ.

    punappunaṃ yācakā yācayanti,
    punappunaṃ dānapatī dadanti.
    punappunaṃ dānapatī daditvā,
    punappunaṃ saggamupenti ṭhānaṃ.

    punappunaṃ khīranikā duhanti,
    punappunaṃ vaccho upeti mātaraṃ.
    punappunaṃ kilamati phandati ca,
    punappunaṃ gabbhamupeti mando.

    punappunaṃ jāyati mīyati ca,
    punappunaṃ sīvathikaṃ haranti.
    maggañca laddhā apunabbhavāya,
    na punappunaṃ jāyati bhūripañño ti.

The four verses are spoken by the Buddha in the Udaya Sutta (SN. i. 173-4; Connected Discourses I. 268-9) and by the arahant Kāḷudāyī in the Theragatha.

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Re: Again and Again ....

Postby cooran » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:20 pm

Hello Ajahn, Tilt, Ben, all,

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you all so much!

Ajahn said: The four verses are spoken by the Buddha in the Udaya Sutta (SN. i. 173-4; Connected Discourses I. 268-9) and by the arahant Kāḷudāyī in the Theragatha.

Yes, this was the translation I had seen.

Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the verses is:
[The Blessed One]
"Again and again, they sow the seed;
Again and again, the sky-god sends down rain,
Again and again, ploughmen plough the field
Again and again, grain come to the realm.

"Again and again, the mendicants beg;
Again and again, the donors give;
When donors have given again and again,
Again and again they go to heaven.

"Again and again, the dairy folk draw milk;
Again and again, the calf goes to its mother;
Again and again, one wearies and trembles;
Again and again, the dolt enters the womb;
Again and again, one is born and dies;
Again and again, they take one to the cemetery;

"But when one has obtained the path
That leads to no more renewed existence,
Having become broad in wisdom,
One is not born again and again!"

with joyful metta
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Re: Again and Again ....

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:42 am

Greetings Chris, all,

That is indeed a beautifully poignant verse - the repetition of the repetition is very powerful.

It was nice to see that verse again (and again).

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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