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Mr Man wrote:Where does the ""being nobody, going nowhere" phrase come from?
A visiting Zen student asked Ajahn Chah, "How old are you? Do you live here all year round?" "I live nowhere," he replied. "There is no place you can find me. I have no age. To have age, you must exist, and to think you exist is already a problem. Don't make problems; then the world has none either. Don't make a self. There's nothing more to say."
Mr Man wrote:In my opinion the OP is a mis-representation of "Thai Forest Tradition". Where does the ""being nobody, going nowhere" phrase come from? Possibly there has been some ad-hoc teaching along those lines and possibly it is somthing that we in the west, like to pick up on but I would say that it really isn't given as a "doctrinal" teaching and isn't at the centre of emphasis in the "Thai Forest Tradition". I would say that the basis for this discussion is not solid.
daverupa wrote:Hmm... Ayya Khema wrote a book with that title. Otherwise, a potential source lies in this unsourced anecdote, for what it's worth:
SUDDHAṬṬHAKA SUTTA wrote:8. The holy man is gone beyond boundaries—by him there is nothing
He has known or seen that is seized upon.
He has no passion for passion, he is not impassioned for dispassion.
By him nothing outward has been taken up here.
DUṬṬHAṬṬHAKA SUTTA wrote:3. Whatever person, even unasked,
Speaks to others of his own morality and observances,
Whoever even of his own accord speaks of himself—
Adept ones say his is an ignoble way.
4. But a mendicant at peace, with self completely blown out,
Not boasting about his morality saying, “I am like this,”
For whom there are no distinguished positions at all in the world—
Adept ones say that his is a noble way.