Khandas, dhatus and ayatanas are real

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Greetings Mike,

(In light of what you quote above...)

Since Robert has advised you paramattha dhammas etc. are real, you could enquire as to precisely what "real" entails.

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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So then what is not real according to Theravada?
Well soul and self are unreal , no more existant than horns on a rabbit, flying pigs and unicorns

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Hi Robert,
Thanks for all these excellent posts and your clarifications. I still have a lot to learn about the Abhidhamma and Commentaries.
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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Khandhas as a word is of course a concept. However the term is referring to actual realities that did exist, or that exist now, or that will arise in the future.

Take the case of aversion. In the texts aversion is classified under sankhara khandha
The term is a concept, but it did arise in the past for all of us. Aversion might be arising right at this moment for some of us, and will certainly arise very soon ( at least to some degree) for all of us.
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