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The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:05 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings,
I am looking to understand better the citta (mind) of the arahant, as understood in Classical Theravada.
I found the following online...
1. vitakka, vicara, piti, sukh’ekaggata sahitam
pathamajjhana arahatta-phala cittam.
2. vicara, piti, sukh’ekaggata sahitam
dutayajjhana arahatta-phala cittam.
3. piti, sukh’ekaggata sahitam
tatiyajjhana arahatta-phala cittam.
4. sukh’ekaggta sahitam
catutthajjhana arahatta-phala cittam.
5. upekkh’ekaggata sahitam
pancamajjhana arahatta-phala cittam.
Meanings
1. The first jhana arahatta fruit-consciousness together with initial application, sustained application, joy, bliss and one-pointedness.
2. The second jhana arahatta fruit-consciousness together with sustained application, joy, bliss and one-pointedness.
3. The third jhana arahatta fruit-consciousness together with joy, bliss and one-pointedness.
4. the fourth jhana arahatta fruit-consciousness together with bliss and one-pointedness.
5. The fifth jhana arahatta fruit-consciousness together with equanimity and one-pointedness.
Source: http://www.bddronline.net.au/bddr12no5/abhi013.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But this only talks of the arahant's mind in the context of jhana... what about outside jhana?
A table at that same link enumerates the various cittas. There are 40 lokuttara enumerated... of which 32 are somanassa (glad-minded-ness), and 8 are upekkha (equanimity).
Does the arahant experience only lokuttara-citta, or can they still experience lokiya-citta?
Metta,
Retro.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:08 am
by cooran
Hello Retro,
You may be interested in this .pdf:
Scroll down to page 5 for discussion of Citta -
Attributes of an Arahant
http://www.buddhistteachings.org/wp-con ... rahant.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
addit: Beginning on page 101 of this link:
Rune E. A. Johanssen’s
Analysis of Citta: A Criticism by Arvind Sharma
http://mcgill.academia.edu/ArvindSharma ... _Criticism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:39 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings Chris,
Thanks for that - both were very interesting.
Metta,
Retro.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:08 am
by robertk
Re retros question, yes of course arahats still experience lokiya dhammas!
Lokiya dhammas like seeing, color, hearing , sound etc are all - just as much as for a worling- part of an arahts daily life.
What never arises for the arahat- while a common part of daily life for the wordling- is anger, desire , ignorance , conceit and self view.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:12 am
by retrofuturist
Thanks (as always) Robert.
Metta,
Retro.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:20 am
by robertk
Thanks too, for bringing this up Retro.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:58 pm
by Cittasanto
Hi Retro,
I do not the source but maybe of use
"The Arahants are individuals of one mind"
I believe it is one of the main disciples who said this, maybe Sariputta or Ananda.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:07 pm
by daverupa
Cittasanto wrote:Hi Retro,
I do not the source but maybe of use
"The Arahants are individuals of one mind"
I believe it is one of the main disciples who said this, maybe Sariputta or Ananda.
This phrase is used in the Culagosinga Sutta, MN 31. Anuruddha says, "Venerable sir, we are various in bodies and one single in mind", referring to Nandiya and Kimbila and himself and their ability to mix like milk and water.
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:00 pm
by Cittasanto
daverupa wrote:Cittasanto wrote:Hi Retro,
I do not the source but maybe of use
"The Arahants are individuals of one mind"
I believe it is one of the main disciples who said this, maybe Sariputta or Ananda.
This phrase is used in the Culagosinga Sutta, MN 31. Anuruddha says, "Venerable sir, we are various in bodies and one single in mind", referring to Nandiya and Kimbila and himself and their ability to mix like milk and water.
Thanks Dave!
Re: The experience of the arahant
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:08 pm
by Ytrog
Cooran, how did you find these sources? I'm curious because I'm always wondering how some people on DhammaWheel come up with some sources. I really want to learn more.