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Chris wrote:Is it extinction, is it immortality?
Chris wrote:Is anyone, using the scriptures which have been preserved for us, able to give a relatively coherent explanation for the unenlightened?
Peter wrote:I do wonder why the word "nibbana" has been rarified. Why not nirodha? Or any of the other words in the third noble truth? Why don't we capitalize "dispassion" or "cessation" like we do "Unbinding"?
Dhammanando wrote:Nibbāna is the unconditioned dhamma itself, while nirodha is (usually) the cognizing of Nibbāna at the moment of path consciousness.
Chris wrote:It is said that our language is unable to describe Nibbāna using the concepts we are familiar with. ... Is anyone, using the scriptures which have been preserved for us, able to give a relatively coherent explanation for the unenlightened?
Consciousness without feature,
luminous all around:
Here water, earth, fire, & wind
have no footing.
Here long & short
coarse & fine
fair & foul
name & form
are all brought to an end.
With the cessation of [the activity of] consciousness
each is here brought to an end.'"
Peter wrote:When I look at a quote like this...
"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana." — AN 3.32
...to me "nibbana" looks like just one word in a string of words and that usually means they are all to be taken as either synonyms or at least referring to the same thing.
there are some contexts where [nirodha] is taken as identical to nibbana.
Chris wrote:It is said that our language is unable to describe Nibbāna using the concepts we are familiar with. My understanding always comes up against a brick wall when thinking about Nibbāna.
Peter wrote:What I don't understand is why NIbbana is taken to mean something more than simply "end of suffering".
Dhammanando wrote:Disagreement on this question appears to have been a major cause of the controversies regarding nibbana among the Indian Buddhist schools.
In the meantime you might find the attached article of interest.