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Gena1480 wrote:deathless element is what is unborn,unbecoming,uncondition
you study the depending origination
contemplate this / that conditionality
when this arises /that arises
when this cease /that cease
now this two cases are this /that conditionality
for example with arisesing of this becoming /arises that birth.
now for contemplating the unbecoming and unbirth.
when this is not , that is not
when there is, just this no becoming , there is just that no birth.
when there not, what is requisite condition, there is not requisite condition
as you know that in depending origination all are requisite condition
or when there is not requisite condition, there is not what depends on that requisite condition(which is requisite condition itself)
seeing this/ that conditionally
now to see all twelve link of conditioning for what they are much harder as each condition represent different conditioning
if anybody would point me in direction where each condition explain in relation of conditioning itself
because 12 condition are very deep
for example when there is 3 conditions there is contact or the meting of 3 conditions.
richard_rca wrote:Ven. Thanissaro in some of his talks implies that the suttas talk of nirvana both as an element and as something beyond space and time and that the meaning of this is that even though Nirvana lies beyond it all "it" can still be "experienced" and that this is what the suttas mentioning it as an element talk about.
I could be wrong though.
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