What does samudaya mean?

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What does samudaya mean?

Postby Element » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:28 am

Dear forum,

I have a question for the Pali experts, such as Ajahn Dhammanando.

We usually translate the word samudaya as 'cause'.

However, I am under the impression it means 'origin' or 'complete arising'.

Thus, what did the Lord Buddha intend to say when he used the term 'dukkha samudaya' in the Second Noble Truth?

Was he referring to 'the cause' or more?

I think the word hetu means 'prior cause' thus samudaya appears more detailed than hetu.

Regards,

Element
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Re: What does samudaya mean?

Postby thecap » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:17 pm

Hi Element

I'm not an expert but your impression seems correct.

aya - "to come"
ud - "up"
sam - "with"
samudaya - "what comes up with (dukkha)"¹

samudaya - rise, origin, coming into existence, the second ariya²

¹http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/bodhidharma/three.html
²http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/
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Re: What does samudaya mean?

Postby kc2dpt » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:49 pm

Maybe it's related to dependent origination?
"With the arising of this coming the arising of that."
- Peter

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Re: What does samudaya mean?

Postby thecap » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:10 pm

Peter wrote:Maybe it's related to dependent origination?
"With the arising of this coming the arising of that."


Indeed.
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Re: What does samudaya mean?

Postby Element » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:59 pm

Peter wrote:Maybe it's related to dependent origination?
"With the arising of this coming the arising of that."

Mmm...could be Peter.
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