robertk wrote:I really dont know what you mean by other things,
perhaps it would help me understand your posts if you quoted some material about other things or about your original claim that "there were never any aggregates either."
First of all the context of my statement is important, and I would refer you back to that.
As for “other things,” we could simply, easily take this as a starting point:The mental and material are really here,
But here there is no human being to be found,
For it is void and merely fashioned like a doll—
Just suffering piled up like grass and sticks.
Just as "person" is a caused and conditioned construct and a way of talking about experience, so the khandhas, fashioned from causes and conditions, empty of any thingness, are conceptual constructs used for understanding experience. So, the question is: What is meant by “really here?”
But we must keep in mind: Just as "person" is a caused and conditioned construct and a way of talking about experience,
[b]ut when they are seen after resolving them by means of knowledge into these elements, they disintegrate like froth subjected to compression by the hand. They are mere states (dhamma) occurring due to conditions and void.
And what are dhammas? Ways of talking about experience.
but for your question
the quote I gave above is clear I think
the Theravadins admit that the khandhas or dhammas are known in a real and ultimate sense. Thus in their view what is real and ultimate is not the person but the khandhas or dhammas that enter into its composition
In other words, what is “real” is experience empty of thingness, arising and falling dependent upon causes and conditioned. “Really here?” What does it mean?