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Jetavan wrote:"Monks, even if bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he among you who let his heart get angered even at that would not be doing my bidding. Even then you should train yourselves: 'Our minds will be unaffected and we will say no evil words. We will remain sympathetic, with a mind of good will, and with no inner hate. We will keep pervading these people with an awareness imbued with good will and, beginning with them, we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.' That's how you should train yourselves."
-- Kakacupama Sutta: The Simile of the Saw
Eightfolder wrote:Ah...this is where it is said by many observers that "Buddhists' are passive - and concern themselves only with own enlightenment and not with the cruelities of the world around them"....have I got that assessement accurate? True, I cannot judge what's in someone's heart but it seems to me we are certainly in a position everyday to judge what is someone's intention by the actions they take - particularly as those actions affect all of us. Are you suggestion that the Buddha never called out anyone on his/her actions if those actions were harming others all around? Seems to me thats why in a democracy (flawed as it may be), we have developed a civil order of law, courts, judges, and prosecutors. Again, not denying the flaws in our justice system - we certainly wouldn't throw out the very concept of justice, would we? When we refuse to judge the actions of those around us who are harming others are we doing the Buddha's work?
I am referring to policies and the institutions that make those policies which are lacking in carrying out the original compassionate intent and mission of those institutions! Are you saying we are not to judge their flaws and allow corruption to continue?
Eightfolder wrote:Could someone quote sources or passages in the Pali Canon where Buddha spoke specificially about the concept of forgivenss (which was probably not stated as such but the theme itself) or where I might find sources? I am really very curious about this wave of "forgiveness" that is suppose to be a great source of peace. I personally have questions about whether or not forgivenss works as well as some are claiming. I would like any information about what Buddha said about it. Thanks
Eightfolder wrote:Me thinks some (perhaps many) practicing Buddhists or followers of the Dhamma have found convenient little cracks in the sidewalk of life to allow for dispassion and non-attachment where a deeper human impulse would be calling to pay heed under normal circumstances.
I find this entire topic of forgiveness to be deeply woven into the complicated constructs of religious themes of domination, control, and impunity.
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