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Entering the stream

Postby clw_uk » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:19 pm

Not sure if this has already been discussed already but thought id put it up just in case.

We all know that it is said that when one becomes a stream-winner that they are certain to attain nibbana in no less than seven lives. How is this possible though? If one dies and is reborn then they would have forgotten all the teachings, practice etc in the past existence so wouldnt they be starting again from scratch?
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Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:00 am

from what I understand about it, it is they are or we are at that capacity, they don't need to know it or understand it (what ever it is) from birth but they would know and understand it from the first encounter, and be inclined to act in a manner of a stream enterer naturally?
suppose it is like Mozart playing the piano at an early age?
I may be wrong but I think that is accurate?


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Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:35 am

look at it this way. if i'm born in gaza and die at age 13 i'm never going to practice the dhamma, but if i'm born in chaing mai and become a novice at 13 i have a great chance to. i'm sure those on the path to being an arahant are just born in the right places to practice. they dont have to be born remembering the teachings from their past lives.
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Postby gavesako » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:35 am

I know of monks in Thailand who have privately said that they were born in this life as stream-enterers. They had a very easy start and fast progress in their meditation, too. It seems like they just continued where they had left off the last time. One of them, for example, wanted to befriend some girls but every time he thought of them, their image changed into a decomposing corpse... :jawdrop: so he did not get very far with that one. Instead he became a monk.
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There are many stream-entry suttas at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/stream2.html

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Postby appicchato » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:07 pm

It's your relating seven lives to seven fetters that I'm referring to... :smile:

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Plus, a once-returner has five more fetters to eradicate.
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