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The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

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The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby Akuma » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:19 am

Hello,

yesterday in the Vimuttimagga I read

"The walker in hate who has keen faculties, being one endowed with
wisdom, should practise the (meditation of the) special sphere. Thus should
one practise and dispel hatred."

Sadly "special sphere" is neither used a second time in the book nor defined - does anyone know what is meant by it?

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby Akuma » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:52 am

Vimuttimagga, Translated by Rev. N. R. M. EHARA, SOMA THERA, KHEMINDA THERA
"Subjects Of Meditation", Page 70

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby Reductor » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:05 am

Then, given the one line just above what you quoted is "A walker in hate who has dull facilities should practice the four immeasurable" I would say my answer is wrong.

By looking at the index under 'sphere' I see only the four formless sphere of 'space', 'consciousness', 'nothing', and 'neither perception nor non perception' and discussion of the sense spheres. Perhaps one of those spheres is what is referenced, so perhaps reading each page indexed there would be helpful? I'm not sure.

But it seems possible that the four formless attainments are just the meaning here, as discusses each mode in terms of what is not there; that is, in terms of the disturbances that have been cut off.

Give it a read if you have the energy and give it some thought.

Hopefully someone else here can be of greater help.

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby pt1 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:18 am

My apologies if this is a bit off topic - but is Vimuttimagga actually a part of Mahavihara tradition? From memory, when reading the intro to Visuddhimagga, I think it was said that Vimuttimagga originated in Abhayagiri monastry which was directly opposed to the Mahavihara monastery, and in fact Abhayagiri was the seat of some other Buddhist sect, so the two were sort of in the state of war (depending on which particular monastery a particualr king decided to support). Anyway, then in the Visuddhimagga itself, I could swear there was at least one instance where the view stated in Vimuttimagga is actually rejected... I checked the CSCD edition of the pali canon, but couldn't find Vimutimagga there so far either.

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby cooran » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:32 am

Hello all,

Read online and/or download:
The Path of Freedom (Vimuttimagga) by the Arahant Upatissa (translated from the Chinese by Rev. N. R. M. Ehara, Soma Thera, & Kheminda Thera)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/32131566/The- ... muttimagga

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:59 am

I would have thought the 'four immeasurables' refer to the four brahmavihara - as they are developed 'immeasurably'. I read one sutta where the buddha says that their culmination is in the formless realm jhana states.

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:00 pm

p193 (and the pages immediately before) say that the four immeasurables are the four brahmivharas.

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Re: The "special sphere" in Vimuttimagga

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:45 pm

Hi Akuma,

The Ariyas can be born in heavenly realms (all of which are impermanent) and in human realms as well. In any case they have to work their way towards enlightenment once they are born there. The heavenly realm which contain only Ariyas are the 'suddhawasa' realms ('pure abodes') where non-returners are born.

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