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Anupubbanirodha Sutta: Step-by-step Stopping

Postby Dhammabodhi » Mon May 30, 2011 1:21 pm

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Re: Anupubbanirodha Sutta: Step-by-step Stopping

Postby Kenshou » Mon May 30, 2011 7:40 pm

I do not have a reference from Classical Theravada, but it's possible for the breathing to become so calm that you don't even notice it anymore.

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Re: Anupubbanirodha Sutta: Step-by-step Stopping

Postby Dhammabodhi » Mon May 30, 2011 9:13 pm

Hi Kenshou,

I do understand that there is such a possibility. However, isn't calming the in-and-out breaths to the point that they are no longer noticeable, different from literally stopping them, as is claimed in the Sutta?

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Re: Anupubbanirodha Sutta: Step-by-step Stopping

Postby rowyourboat » Tue May 31, 2011 11:01 pm

There is no real 'scientific' way to explain it. What we think is indispensable (craving, anger.. breathing!) may not be. In a proper deep fourth jhana the breath does indeed stop. It is not a matter of not noticing it. Mindfulness is well purified at that stage. :shrug:

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Re: Anupubbanirodha Sutta: Step-by-step Stopping

Postby Dhammabodhi » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:12 am

Hi RYB,

Thanks for your reply, there has been a scarcity of them. :tongue:

It is indeed strange, and yet not so strange. I guess if I am ever fortunate enough to experience the fourth jhana I would know then. So does everything in the body stop? Even the :heart:?

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Re: Anupubbanirodha Sutta: Step-by-step Stopping

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:25 am

Hi Dhammabodi,

Hmm if the heart were to stop as well that would real interesting! I assume it slows down, but that is just speculation because 1) I can't feel my heartbeat reliably 2) it is not mentioned in the suttas. In fact I can't think of many places the experience of the heart beat is mentioned at all in the suttas.

I don't think the jhanas are that far a away- given enough time and motivation most people can experience these states. :anjali:

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