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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:33 pm

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:40 pm

Hanzze wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
Hanzze wrote:Knowledge can be communicated, but not wisdom.
Well, then so much for the Buddha's teachings.

Did the Buddha told different? Can wisdom be communicated?
Sure.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:48 pm

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:51 pm

Hanzze wrote:So who and how?
Try the Dhammapada.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:53 pm

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:16 pm

Or did you just point on this:
Dhammapada 282

Wisdom arises from [spiritual] practice;
Without practice it decays. Knowing these paths to gain and loss,
Conduct yourself so that wisdom grows.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:32 pm

Hanzze wrote:Or did you just point on this:
Dhammapada 282

Wisdom arises from [spiritual] practice;
Without practice it decays. Knowing these paths to gain and loss,
Conduct yourself so that wisdom grows.
See. Wisdom.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Annapurna » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:36 pm

Hanzze wrote:Knowledge can be communicated, but not wisdom. One can find it, live it, be fortified by it, do wonders through it, but one cannot communicate and teach it.
Hermann Hesse



Hanzze, I think we should rename the thread in quotes by Hermann Hesse. Don't you think? :smile:
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:58 pm

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:58 pm

Hanzze wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
Hanzze wrote:Or did you just point on this:
Dhammapada 282

Wisdom arises from [spiritual] practice;
Without practice it decays. Knowing these paths to gain and loss,
Conduct yourself so that wisdom grows.
See. Wisdom.

So we found a way to give it to everyone. Let me send a mass mail.
Well, it is nice to see that you are okay with Hesse being wrong in his wishy-washy drivel.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Annapurna » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:37 pm

Ouch....

;) Since when are poets "right" or "wrong", Sir Tilt?
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby PeterB » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:54 pm

When they make a highly misleading pen portrait of the Buddha ?
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:58 pm

Verse 227: It is not new, O Atula! It has always been done from ancient times. They blame one who is silent, they blame one who speaks much, they blame one who speaks little. There is no one in this world who is not blamed.

Verse 228: There never has been, there never will be, nor is there now, anyone who is always blamed or always praised.

Verse 323: Indeed, not by any means of transport (such as elephants and horses) can one go to the place one has never been before (i.e., Nibbana); but by thoroughly taming oneself, the tamed one can get to that place (i.e., Nibbana).
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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:00 pm

back to topic with:

People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.
Hermann Hesse
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Annapurna » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:02 pm

PeterB wrote:When they make a highly misleading pen portrait of the Buddha ?


But don't forget 15 year old Anna who read Siddharta, and thought: Yes, once I'm a bit older I will study Buddhism.... :smile: :heart:
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:03 pm

Our mind is capable of passing beyond the dividing line we have drawn for it. Beyond the pairs of opposites of which the world consists, other, new insights begin.
Hermann Hesse
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby PeterB » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:27 pm

Annapurna wrote:
PeterB wrote:When they make a highly misleading pen portrait of the Buddha ?


But don't forget 15 year old Anna who read Siddharta, and thought: Yes, once I'm a bit older I will study Buddhism.... :smile: :heart:


15 year old Peter read Jack Kerouacs " The Dharma Bums" which led also eventually to a study of Buddhism...it also meant unlearning quite a lot of Kerouac's view of what the Buddha actually taught.. ;)
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:32 pm

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby Hanzze » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:38 pm

Those who cannot think or take responsibility for themselves need, and clamor for, a leader.
Hermann Hesse
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

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Re: Siddhartha (novel) & Herman Hesse

Postby meindzai » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Annapurna wrote:
PeterB wrote:When they make a highly misleading pen portrait of the Buddha ?


But don't forget 15 year old Anna who read Siddharta, and thought: Yes, once I'm a bit older I will study Buddhism.... :smile: :heart:


I was into Alan Watts, who is also full of crap, but who generated my initial interest in Buddhism (as well as many others I'm sure). Doesn't make him any less full of crap or Hesse's work any less misleading, but they do open dharma doors. Kind of a waggly drunken finger pointing somewhere in the vicinity of the moon?

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