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dukkha as Conflict, nirodha as Resolution

Postby danieLion » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:29 am

Sometimes I like to translate dukkha as "conflict" and nirodha as "resolution."

Why shouldn't I? Why should I?

or

Where shouldn't I? Where should I?

I prefer to keep it within the suttas, but won't complain if other references our made.

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Re: dukkha as Conflict, nirodha as Resolution

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:35 pm

Interesting; I have never seen those terms used before.

Is all dukkha conflict? For example, is child birth a conflict? Many emotional pains could be called conflict, but there are other pains and sufferings that don't appear to have conflict.

Isn't conflict mostly adversarial? Or maybe I'm thinking of Marx when I hear conflict (conflict theory dualism). :thinking:
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Re: dukkha as Conflict, nirodha as Resolution

Postby Alex123 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:06 pm

IMHO dukkha as 'stress' seems to be a good. Childbirth is stressful , and so are emotional conflicts.
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Re: dukkha as Conflict, nirodha as Resolution

Postby chownah » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:14 am

It is clear to me that there is a typo in the title for this thread...it should be "Conflict as dukkha, Resolution as nirodha."
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Re: dukkha as Conflict, nirodha as Resolution

Postby danieLion » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:30 am

What I've been doing is when I read the word dukkha or its English variants, and when I read the word nirodha or it English variants, I substitute "conflict" for "dukkha" and "resolution" for "nirodha". Sometimes it feels right, other times, not. Try it, e.g., with the Buddha's "first sermon" (Turning The Wheel of Dhamma).

My hunch is that dukkha as conflict/conflict as dukkha is more salient when the stress/suffering is part of a relationship with another person. In other words, the kind of dukkha we experience in relationships (as opposed to internal conflict) is best understood as conflict.

If you look at the "twelfth link" of dependent origination, for example, you get a flavor of the different manifestations of dukkha, and it is by no means exhaustive. And in general, dependent origination explicates the conflictual aspects of dukkha.
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Postby chownah » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:44 pm

I think if one is not attached to conflict then one does not experience dukkha thereby.
I think if one is attached to resolution then one does expereince dukkha thereby.
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