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patissatimattaya

Postby Billymac29 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:31 pm

I've seen this translated as "mere attention" or "bare attention".... Does that seem like a correct definition? It appears frequently in the Satipatthana Sutta
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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: patissatimattaya

Postby culaavuso » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:30 am

Looking at one of the instances where this occurs in MN10:

MN 10: Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta wrote:‘Atthi kāyo’ti vā panassa sati paccupaṭṭhitā hoti. Yāvadeva ñāṇamattāya paṭis­sati­mattāya anissito ca viharati, na ca kiñci loke upādiyati.

(Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu)
Or his mindfulness that 'There is a body' is maintained to the extent of knowledge & remembrance. And he remains independent, unsustained by (not clinging to) anything in the world.

(Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Or else mindfulness that ‘there is a body’ is simply established in him to the extent necessary for bare knowledge and mindfulness. And he abides independent, not clinging to anything in the world.


It appears that this is a dative form (-āya) combined from Paṭissati and Matta. Thus "to the extent of remembrance" or "to the extent necessary for mindfulness" seem to both be reasonable translations of paṭis­sati­mattāya. For a discussion of the meaning of sati and the connection between mindfulness and remembrance, it might be helpful to read Mindfulness Defined by Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: patissatimattaya

Postby Billymac29 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Thanks for the reply culaavuso.
I can see how one can take those meanings as bare awareness. It seems to come down to how one would emphasize the phase "to the extent."
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Re: patissatimattaya

Postby Mkoll » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:04 pm

Some in-depth looks into the sutta can be find in Ven. Sujato's A History of Mindfulness and Ven. Analayo's two Satipatthana books.
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