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hadayavatthu

Postby karuna_murti » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:35 pm

hadayarūpaṃ
hadayarūpañca
hadayarūpadassanādividhānaṃ
hadayarūpadassanena
hadayarūpadassanenāti
hadayarūpanti
hadayarūpapaccayā
hadayarūpamiccapi
hadayarūpameva
hadayarūpavatthukacittaṃ
hadayarūpavatthukanti
hadayarūpasiṅghāṭake
hadayarūpassa
hadayarūpassapi
hadayarūpassāpi
hadayarūpe

hadayavatthu
hadayavatthuṃ
hadayavatthuṃyeva
hadayavatthuanantaraṃ
hadayavatthuādippabhedaṃ
hadayavatthuādisakalasarīrassa
hadayavatthuādīsu
hadayavatthukaṃ
hadayavatthukampi
hadayavatthukāpi
hadayavatthukāyabhāvadasakavasena
hadayavatthukoṭiṃ
hadayavatthukopi
hadayavatthuñca
hadayavatthuñcāti
hadayavatthuñceva
hadayavatthuññeva
hadayavatthuto
hadayavatthudasakañcāti
hadayavatthunā
hadayavatthunissayaṃ
hadayavatthunissitaṃ
hadayavatthunissitassa
hadayavatthunissitāni
hadayavatthunissito
hadayavatthuno
hadayavatthunopi
hadayavatthunti
hadayavatthupadaṭṭhānaṃ
hadayavatthupadaṭṭhānatā
hadayavatthupadaṭṭhānanti
hadayavatthupadaṭṭhānā
hadayavatthupadaṭṭhānāti
hadayavatthupadesamatte
hadayavatthuparimaddanena
hadayavatthupariyosānāni
hadayavatthupi
hadayavatthubhedato
hadayavatthumaṃsamīva
hadayavatthumattameva
hadayavatthumattampi
hadayavatthumattasannissitaṃ
hadayavatthumattasmiṃ
hadayavatthumattasminti
hadayavatthumatte
hadayavatthumatteti
hadayavatthumeva
hadayavatthumevāti
hadayavatthumpi
hadayavatthumhi
hadayavatthuyeva
hadayavatthurūpaṃ
hadayavatthurūpañca
hadayavatthurūpassa
hadayavatthurūpādīhi
hadayavatthulakkhaṇaṃ
hadayavatthuvajjaṃ
hadayavatthuvasena
hadayavatthuvirahitaṃ
hadayavatthusaṅkhātaṃ
hadayavatthusannissayaṃ
hadayavatthusannissayatāya
hadayavatthusannissayato
hadayavatthusannissayalohitavaṇṇadassanamukhena
hadayavatthusannissayena
hadayavatthusannissitaṃ
hadayavatthusannissitabhūtāni
hadayavatthusannissitameva
hadayavatthusannissitā
hadayavatthusannissitāya
hadayavatthusahitabhāgeyeva
hadayavatthusmiṃ
hadayavatthusmiṃyeva
hadayavatthussa
hadayavatthūti
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All of those words exist only in commentaries. Anyone know synonyms for hadayavatthu (the only rūpa from 28 rūpa that never been mentioned in abhidhamma) ?

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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:58 pm

hadaya = heart

hadayavatthu = the substance of the heart

Maybe it is because it is only in later years that the heart became associated with compassion, figuratively?

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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:19 pm

Greetings,

Is it what is sometimes referred to as 'heart-base'?

David wrote:Maybe it is because it is only in later years that the heart became associated with compassion, figuratively?


The notion of the heart as the base for consciousness pre-dates the Buddha.

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Retro. :)
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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:14 pm

found this in the Dhammapada commentary:

"Compassion is that which makes the heart of the good move at the pain of others. It crushes and destroys the pain of others; thus, it is called compassion. It is called compassion because it shelters and embraces the distressed."

Dp.A.193

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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby karuna_murti » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:19 pm

so, there is no synonym for hadayavatthu?
well, it seems hadayavatthu term only exists on commentaries, the best i could find is on milinda panha.

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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:31 pm

You could be right. Hadaya (heart) is apparently used often in the Canon:

We read of someone's 'heart breaking with sorrow’ (Ja.V,180), of having a 'calm heart' (A.V,64), a 'distraught heart’ (Ja.IV,415) and of 'knowing another person's heart' (M.I,32). The Buddha said that his words 'go right to the heart' (hadayaṃ gamā). But apparently no use of hadayavatthu, that I can see, except perhaps in the Abhidhamma?

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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:33 pm

From: Maha Thera Nyanatiloka. Manual of Buddhist Terms and Doctrines, Buddhist Publication Society, first edition 1952.

Hadaya-vatthu: 'heart as physical base' of mental life. The heart, according to the commentaries as well as to the general Buddhist tradition, forms the physical base vatthu of consciousness In the canonical texts, however, even in the Abhidhamma Pitaka, no such base is ever localized, a fact which seems to have first been discovered by Shwe Zan Aung Compendium of Philosophy, pp. 277ff.. In the Patth. we find repeatedly only the passage:;That material thing based on which mind-element and mind-consciousness element function; yam rūpam nissāya manodhātu ca mano-viññāna-dhātu ca vattanti, tam rūpam.

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Re: hadayavatthu

Postby karuna_murti » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:25 pm

Ah, I see. So even on Abhidhamma, hadayavatthu is called indirectly.
Thank you.


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