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ti-kileśā

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue May 04, 2010 3:07 pm

The three defilements or poisons are sometimes written as:

1. Greed, attachment, craving (lobha), (tanhā)
2. Hatred, aversion (dosa), (virodha)
3. Ignorance, delusion (avijja), (moha)

So which is the 'correct' Pali rendering? Is it lobha, dosa, moha? Or is it tanha, virodha, avijja? Or some other combination?
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Postby Sekha » Tue May 04, 2010 4:22 pm

I guess both these renderings are correct.

I wonder if they are exactly synonymous or if there is any difference
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Postby David N. Snyder » Tue May 04, 2010 5:11 pm

Some depictions / translations of Dependent Origination include avijjā, taṇhā. But many (most?) depictions of the three poisons show it as lobha, dosa, moha.

I think the problem may be more with incorrect translations to English and then when someone puts it 'back to Pali' it might be going to the wrong Pali terms.
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Postby Sekha » Tue May 04, 2010 10:13 pm

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Re: ti-kileśā

Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 05, 2010 3:53 am

Greetings David,

Have you had a look at...?

The Roots Of Good And Evil
by Nyaponika Thera
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/roots_goodevil.pdf

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Re: ti-kileśā

Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 05, 2010 4:18 am

Greetings David,

Isn't there a full Romanised version of the Sutta Pitaka on the Internet?

I've got little doubt you know enough Pali words in order to know which ones you're looking for... hell, you could probably even use a word search!

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby David N. Snyder » Wed May 05, 2010 4:23 am

Hi Retro,

Already done!

http://www.metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pit ... iti-p.html

So it is lobha, dosa, moha. A word search for lobho, doso or moho will show the relevant passage.
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Re: ti-kileśā

Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 05, 2010 6:00 am

Greetings David,

Nice work.

In that case, I'm particularly interested in #3 which you raised.

3. Ignorance, delusion (avijja), (moha)

Because moha is used in the context of the three roots, and avijja is used in the context of dependent origination... what is the significance is the usage of the different terms in those different contexts?

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Postby Sekha » Wed May 05, 2010 9:25 am

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Re: ti-kileśā

Postby Adrien » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:13 pm

Please don't hesitate to correct my english if you feel to


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