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Pali Term: Sati

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Postby Sekha » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:02 am

I kind of agree with rendering it as 'the act of keeping in the mind'. B. Analayo proposes also 'presence of/in the mind'. But the former rendering has this drawback that the verb 'to keep' is transitive, so it calls for an object which is not present, as sati is an abstract concept that does not refer to a particular object (unless for example in anapanassati). So 'presence of/in the mind' seems to be a better rendering.

But there is a great difference in English between remembrance and awareness/mindfulness. If one is to hold on tenaciously to the former, the problem is that it may induce confusion for practitioners. Remembrance is directed to the present perception of a 'past object' (instructions for example), whereas awareness is directed to phenomena happening in the present moment.

The most advanced meditation teachers I know of all take sati in the sense of awareness/mindfulness. I don't see any reason to consider that they are all mistaken.
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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby rahul3bds » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:02 pm

In both Marathi and Hindi (two modern Indian languages closest to Pali), the term smriti (sati) is rendered as Memory.

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agreed. This is not a conclusive argument.

sati does mean remembrance in Pali as well. But it is not the best rendering of the word in all contexts, because Pali and English semantics follow quite different patterns.
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