removal, abandonment of desire and lust (MN 13)

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removal, abandonment of desire and lust (MN 13)

Postby danieLion » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:20 pm

Hi,
I am curious about the Pali words in the recurring phrase, "the removal of desire and lust, the abandonment of desire and lust," in MN 13: Mahadukkhakkhandaha Sutta; I 84-90, Bhikkhu Bodhi translation (In the Buddha's Words, pages 193-199). Specifically, what are the Pali words for "removal," "abandonment," "desire" and "lust"?
I believe that covers it.
Peace.
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Re: removal, abandonment of desire and lust (MN 13)

Postby echalon » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:53 pm

Hi Dan, this is actually something you can find out for yourself with the right resources. You can find one version of the Pali text at http://studies.worldtipitaka.org/tipitaka/9M/2/2.3. I don't have Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation, so I was looking at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.013.than.html. Just looking at patterns of repetition and section breaks, the Pali terms that I believe correspond to Thanissaro's "subduing of desire-passion" and "abandoning of desire-passion" (for sensuality, form, etc.) are "chandarāgavinayo chandarāgappahānaṃ". Taking a look at an online Pali dictionary at http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/, you can find out that "chanda-rāga" is a compound meaning "exciting desire" (under entry "chanda"), "vinaya" means "driving out, abolishing destruction, removal", and "pahāna" means "giving up, leaving, abandoning, rejection". Please check this further for yourself, as I don't personally know any Pali!
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Re: removal, abandonment of desire and lust (MN 13)

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:08 pm

Also note that the Access to Insight suttas have a link at the top to the Pali.

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Re: removal, abandonment of desire and lust (MN 13)

Postby danieLion » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:07 am

Thank you both.
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