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Concering Anatta

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Concering Anatta

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Re: Concering Anatta

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:39 am

Greetings,

Sabbe dhamma anatta = all phenomena are not self.

Therefore, anything within the domain of experience is not-self.

To affirm or deny the existence of a self/soul/atman beyond the "world" (loka) of experience is inherently speculative, as it is beyond the range of sensory/phenomenal experience. Either metaphysical proposition is unverifiable.

What is important, and of relevance to the pursuit to end dukkha, is that there is no self to be found.

Metta,
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Re: Concering Anatta

Postby manas » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:10 am

Hi VictoryInTruth,

I found the following very helpful in clarifying the place of anatta in Buddhist doctrine, maybe it will be of use to you also:

No-self or Not-self? by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... self2.html

:anjali:
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Concering Anatta

Postby Buckwheat » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:32 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Concering Anatta

Postby Zom » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:44 am

Buddha didn't speak directly about the absense of self due to the reason that many would not understand that properly.
So he spoke about it absense indirectely.

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Re: Concering Anatta

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:12 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Concering Anatta

Postby VictoryInTruth » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:44 pm

Thank you all for your replies. Though my journey in discovering more and more about Buddhism has had many stops and starts I hope to one day be able to dive straight in and take refuge once I get the doctrines sorted out.

Much metta,

Victory


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