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What is rebirth and where does this idea comes from?

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Postby cooran » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:14 pm

Hello pondering,

This is a question many people ask when first studying the teachings of the Buddha.

This article by a respected Bhikkhu may be of assistance:

Does Rebirth Make Sense? by Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ay_46.html

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Postby Way~Farer » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:01 am

I would like to say something about my understanding of this topic to see whether I am on the right track.

First and foremost, as I understand it, the important point is that there is no self, ego or personality which goes from life to life. Instead it is more like a process, where the actions, thoughts and intentions generated here in this life, give rise to a future life which embodies the qualities resulting from these.

As for the cultural origins of this idea, I imagine that in ancient times, people had a much stronger sense of continuity with the past and their ancestors. This is because of the oral culture, where the stories and wisdom were memorized in handed down from generation to generation. Within this context, it must have been much easier to see newborns as like an 'incarnation' of a previous life. In the ancient world, there was a very wide-spread view that everything happens in cycles of creation and desctruction - people, seasons, tides, cultures, and everything else. Within this view of the world, re-birth seemed entirely plausible.

Here in our modern world, everything is changing so quickly, and we are so remote from our ancestral past, that we seem to live in this kind of bubble of the present, surrounded only by space, and preceded only by the 'blind' forces of evolution.

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Postby pondering » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:36 am

Is that true that death and rebirth means the changes in a person's life and physical appearance?

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Postby Magoo » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:01 am

I like your summation Sunyavadin. Well said in my view, as it is a complicated concept that is hard to understand unless you actually experience past lives in meditation. As I cant prove Rebirth through experience it is hard for me to accept or deny at this point. My mind is left open though.

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Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:41 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: What is rebirth and where does this idea comes from?

Postby pondering » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:24 pm

Thanks this very helpful but I wish to see the sutra that support this very idea to confirm me that I am following the true teachings of the budha and also to show that this idea is not whimsicle talk. many thanks.
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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:10 pm

is quite helpful.

A bhikkhu wrongly grasped the teachings about rebirth as the transmigration of a soul, but the Buddha pointed out his error.

A living-being is a process, not a soul or self, but although there is no soul or self, rebirth after death is the inevitable consequence as long as the cause of craving is not completely destroyed by Arahantship.

You may find it helpful to think of the process of life as a wave, rather than a particle. Like a tsunami that starts in Indonesia. Its not the same water that arrived in Sri Lanka many hours later, and did so much damage, but the wave that arrived in Sri Lanka was not unrelated to the wave that started in Indonesia.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: What is rebirth and where does this idea comes from?

Postby danieLion » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:21 am

Hi pondering, Aloka,

Re: "The One Who Knows."

Starting at about 01:15, Reverend Sujato critiques this "The One Who Knows" idea of Reverends Chah and Sumhedo.



And is "The One Who Knows" similar to Reverend Boowa's "Original Mind"?



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Daniel

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