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Another Buddha Misquote

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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 14, 2009 1:53 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu May 14, 2009 1:55 am

Hi Retro,

I'm confuzzled :rolleye:

Is this extraction any sort of evidence that the Buddha said we don't need spiritual friends on the path?
I've always sort of thought he said the opposite. That's my real question.

What just quoted seems like a comment about the value of confidence in the triple gem.

Thank you! :anjali:


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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 14, 2009 1:57 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu May 14, 2009 2:07 am

The Upaddha Sutta is one of my favorite suttas. :thumbsup:

But what's this lamp stuff? I'm sorry if I'm being unclear. You know how they have these little quotes at those "Wisdom sites" and "Daily Quote" and whatnot? The lamp one is there and it sounds like taking the Kalamma sutta out of context to justify practicing without guidance from a spiritual friend.

Was the Buddha telling this to Ananada when he was dying? To comfort him?

Thanks! Sorry if I'm being confusing :?


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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 14, 2009 2:10 am

Greetings Drolma,

Because they were all stream-entrants, destined for eventual arahantship, they had already "seen" the Dhamma, they just had to carry it through to final fruition. Thus, because they had already become ariyan Sangha, they merely needed to follow their own way to arahantship, being lamps upon themselves.

They did not need to take upon themselves a new teacher, or importantly given his upcoming parinibbana, a new formal leader of the Sangha.

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu May 14, 2009 2:13 am

Perfect, thanks! :anjali:


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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby piotr » Thu May 14, 2009 7:05 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby cooran » Thu May 14, 2009 7:55 am

Hello all,

The Pali and Sanscrit words can mean both 'island' and 'lamp'. The meaning depends on the pronunciation and context.

"Therefore Ananda, you should live as islands unto yourselves, being your own refuge, with no one else as your refuge, with the Dhamma as an island, with the Dhamma as your refuge , with no other refuge." DN 16.2.26

In Skt. it is dvipa 'island' rather than Sky. dipa 'lamp'. But we do not really know whether the Buddha pronounced the two words alike or not! In the absence of such knowledge, it is perhaps best not to be too dogmatic about the meaning. In any case, it is just 'oneself' that one has to have as one's 'island' (or lamp), not some 'great self' which the Buddha did not teach.
p. 569 note 395 The Long Discourses of the Buddha A translation of the Digha Nikaya by Maurice Walshe.

Dīpa
Dīpa1 [Ved. dīpa to Ved. dī, dīpyate; Idg. *dei̯ā to shine (see dibba, deva); cp. Gr. di/alos, dh_los; see also jotati] a lamp J ii.104 (˚ŋ jāleti to light a l.); DhA ii.49 (id.), 94 (id.)
-- acci the flame of a lamp ThA 154; -- āloka light of a l. J i.266; vi.391; DhA i.359; VvA 51; -- (˚ŋ)kara making light, shining, illuminating Nd2 399 (=pabhaŋ kara Sn 1136; but cp. Dh 236 under dīpa2); Vism 203. -- tittira a decoy partridge (cp. dīpaka˚) J iii.64; -- rukkha lit. lamp -- tree, the stand of a lamp, candlestick DhA iv.120; -- sikhā the flame (lit. crest) of a l. Vism 171; DhA ii.49.
Dīpa
Dīpa2 (m. & nt.) [Ved. dvīpa=dvi+ap (*sp.) of āpa water, lit. "double -- watered," between (two) waters] an island, continent (mahā˚, always as 4); terra firma, solid foundation, resting -- place, shelter, refuge (in this sense freq. combd w. tāṇa lena & saraṇa & expl. in Com. by patiṭṭhā) -- (a) lit. island: S v.219; J iii.187; VvA 19; Mhvs vii.7, 41. -- continent: cattāro mahādīpā S v.343; Vv 2010 (=VvA 104); VvA 19; PvA 74
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Re: Another Buddha Misquote

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu May 14, 2009 3:07 pm

Thanks so much :anjali:



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