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Ittha Sutta Questions

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Ittha Sutta Questions

Postby Tom » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:47 pm

"Now, I tell you, these five things are not to be obtained by reason of prayers or wishes. If they were to be obtained by reason of prayers or wishes, who here would lack them? It's not fitting for the disciple of the noble ones who desires long life to pray for it or to delight in doing so. Instead, the disciple of the noble ones who desires long life should follow the path of practice leading to long life. In so doing, he will attain long life, either human or divine.

"It's not fitting for the disciple of the noble ones who desires beauty to pray for it or to delight in doing so. Instead, the disciple of the noble ones who desires beauty should follow the path of practice leading to beauty. In so doing, he will attain beauty, either human or divine.

"It's not fitting for the disciple of the noble ones who desires happiness to pray for it or to delight in doing so. Instead, the disciple of the noble ones who desires happiness should follow the path of practice leading to happiness. In so doing, he will attain happiness, either human or divine.

"It's not fitting for the disciple of the noble ones who desires status to pray for it or to delight in doing so. Instead, the disciple of the noble ones who desires status should follow the path of practice leading to status. In so doing, he will attain status, either human or divine.

"It's not fitting for the disciple of the noble ones who desires rebirth in heaven to pray for it or to delight in doing so. Instead, the disciple of the noble ones who desires rebirth in heaven should follow the path of practice leading to rebirth in heaven. In so doing, he will attain rebirth in heaven."

What exactly is the "path of practice" that is being referred to? Is this section saying that one can attain these things in this life by following a certain practice?
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Re: Ittha Sutta Questions

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:19 am

Just as a matter of procedure, when quoiting a sutta, please cite from whence it came.

AN 5.43
PTS: A iii 47
Ittha Sutta: What is Welcome trans: Thanissaro Bhikkhu
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Ittha Sutta Questions

Postby Tom » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:07 am

Yeah you're right, I figured I should. Sorry about that
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Re: Ittha Sutta Questions

Postby santa100 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:20 am

AN 8.40 and MN 41 might be helpful:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html

About whether it could happen right in this life or the next, it'll probably depend on the degree of sincerity, diligence, and effort one puts into the practice. Anyway, it's important to simply focus on the training without longing for anything to avoid falling into the traps of craving and attachment..
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Re: Ittha Sutta Questions

Postby cooran » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:12 am

Hello ccharles, all,

You want: long life, health, beauty, power, riches, high birth, wisdom? Or even some of these things? They do not appear by chance. It is not someone's luck that they are healthy, or another's lack of it that he is stupid. Though it may not be clear to us now, all such inequalities among human beings (and all sorts of beings) come about because of the kamma they have made individually. Each person reaps his own fruits. So if one is touched by short life, sickliness, ugliness, insignificance, poverty, low birth or stupidity and one does not like these things, no need to just accept that that is the way it is. The future need not be like that provided that one makes the right kind of kamma now. Knowing what kamma to make and what not to make is the mark of a wise man. It is also the mark of one who is no longer drifting aimlessly but has some direction in life and some control over the sort of events that will occur.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html

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