If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

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If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby villkorkarma » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:05 pm

If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having reached equanimity?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby James the Giant » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:11 pm

No. Dude, you gotta do some reading.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:39 pm

villkorkarma wrote:If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having reached equanimity?

nope, that would be the fourth!
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:43 pm

Hi villkorkarma

These definitions from the Suttas may be helpful:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... jhana.html

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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:50 pm

Greetings,

villkorkarma wrote:If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having reached equanimity?

Well, on one hand, you can have equanimity (upekkha) without any jhana at all.

However in terms of jhana it's typically the third jhana which is associated with equanimity...

With the fading away of rapture, he dwells in equanimity, mindful and discerning; and he experiences in his own person that happiness of which the noble ones say: 'Happily lives he who is equanimous and mindful' — thus he enters and dwells in the third jhana. (M.i,182; Vbh.245)"

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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby James the Giant » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:49 am

James the Giant wrote:No. Dude, you gotta do some reading.

I apologise for my rudeness... I should have learned by now to keep my mouth shut till after breakfast, when my blood sugar has risen.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:12 pm

is reaching a jhana something one do when one practice mindfullness or just living a alert movement life?
How will I know If one reached the third jhana?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:17 pm

I have read that if one have reached equanimity the stagnation is destroyed, how to know what that is? :thanks:
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )


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