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If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
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If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by villkorkarma » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:05 pm
If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having reached equanimity?
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by James the Giant » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:11 pm
No. Dude, you gotta do some reading.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by Cittasanto » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:39 pm
villkorkarma wrote:If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having reached equanimity?
nope, that would be the fourth!
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog - Some Suttas Translated.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog - Some Suttas Translated.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by mikenz66 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:43 pm
Hi villkorkarma
These definitions from the Suttas may be helpful:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... jhana.html
Mike
These definitions from the Suttas may be helpful:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... jhana.html
Mike
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by retrofuturist » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:50 pm
Greetings,
Well, on one hand, you can have equanimity (upekkha) without any jhana at all.
However in terms of jhana it's typically the third jhana which is associated with equanimity...
With the fading away of rapture, he dwells in equanimity, mindful and discerning; and he experiences in his own person that happiness of which the noble ones say: 'Happily lives he who is equanimous and mindful' — thus he enters and dwells in the third jhana. (M.i,182; Vbh.245)"
Metta,
Retro.
villkorkarma wrote:If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having reached equanimity?
Well, on one hand, you can have equanimity (upekkha) without any jhana at all.
However in terms of jhana it's typically the third jhana which is associated with equanimity...
With the fading away of rapture, he dwells in equanimity, mindful and discerning; and he experiences in his own person that happiness of which the noble ones say: 'Happily lives he who is equanimous and mindful' — thus he enters and dwells in the third jhana. (M.i,182; Vbh.245)"
Metta,
Retro.
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
Dharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum)
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
Dharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum)
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by James the Giant » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:49 am
James the Giant wrote:No. Dude, you gotta do some reading.
I apologise for my rudeness... I should have learned by now to keep my mouth shut till after breakfast, when my blood sugar has risen.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by villkorkarma » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:12 pm
is reaching a jhana something one do when one practice mindfullness or just living a alert movement life?
How will I know If one reached the third jhana?
How will I know If one reached the third jhana?
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Re: If I have reached first Jhana is that same thing as having.?
by villkorkarma » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:17 pm
I have read that if one have reached equanimity the stagnation is destroyed, how to know what that is? 
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