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Kamma

Postby Bohemian Seeker » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:17 pm

Dear Folks,

I am new to this forum and investigating Buddhism, please be patient with my funny questions :reading:

A question about kamma (karma).

Is everything that happens to us due to our kamma ? Does this mean that we deserve all our bad luck and suffering, as the kamma is a result of our previous thoughts, words and deeds, in this life and in previous ones ?

For example, if I get stabbed with a knife by a robber taking my wallet, did I deserve it ? Or does coincidence play a role, i.e are some things that happen to us just bad luck and coincidence and not relate to my past deeds ?

I look forward to your answers,

Best wishes to all

Mike
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Re: Kamma

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:54 pm

Bohemian Seeker wrote:Is everything that happens to us due to our kamma ?


No.

Does this mean that we deserve all our bad luck and suffering, as the kamma is a result of our previous thoughts, words and deeds, in this life and in previous ones ?


No, not necessarily.

For example, if I get stabbed with a knife by a robber taking my wallet, did I deserve it ?


Maybe, maybe not; no need to speculate. Maybe you just happened to cross paths with a bad guy. The kamma is on him.

Or does coincidence play a role, i.e are some things that happen to us just bad luck and coincidence and not relate to my past deeds ?


Yes.

There are five levels of cause and effect and kamma is only one of them. For example, the weather might be really windy and cold one day, which makes you more susceptible to catching a cold, which you do and suffer from that. This is due to the cause of the physical world, not any past deeds.
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Re: Kamma

Postby IanAnd » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:38 pm

Hello Mike,
Bohemian Seeker wrote:Does this mean that we deserve all our bad luck and suffering, as the kamma is a result of our previous thoughts, words and deeds, in this life and in previous ones ?

In addition to David's fine response to your questions, you might wish to consider how Gotama defined kamma within his system of Dhamma.

In the Anguttara Nikaya at 6.63 he stated: "It is volition, monks, that I declare to be kamma. For having willed, one performs an action by body, speech, or mind."

Now, spend a moment and just contemplate that statement. Contemplate the implications of that statement. Come to know it inside and out. And in that process, relieve your mind of any wrong views about kamma so that it might be at ease.

Anguttara Nikaya 6.63 wrote:(5) "Kamma should be understood; the source and origin of kamma should be understood; the diversity of kamma should be understood; the result of kamma should be understood; the cessation of kamma should be understood; the way leading to the cessation of kamma should be understood." ...

"And what is the source and origin of kamma? Contact is its source and origin. [Contact at the six sense spheres: the eye, ear, nose, tongue, bodily tactile sense objects, and mind or mental phenomena.]

"And what is the diversity of kamma? There is kama to be experienced in hell; there is kamma to be experienced in the realm of afflicted spirits; there is kamma to be experienced in the human world; and there is kamma to be experienced in the deva world. This is called the diversity of kamma.

"And what is the result of kamma? The result of kamma, I say, is threefold: [to be experienced] in this very life, or in the [next] rebirth, or on some subsequent occasion. This is called the result of kamma.

"And what, bhikkhus, is the cessation of kamma? With the cessation of contact there is cessation of kamma.

"This noble eightfold path is the way leading to the cessation of kamma, namely, right view, right thought (intention), right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration."

"When, bhikkhus, a noble disciple thus understands kamma, the source and origin of kamma, the diversity of kamma, the result of kamma, the cessation of kamma, and the way leading to the cessation of kamma, he understands this penetrative spiritual life to be the cessation of kamma.

In peace,
Ian
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Re: Kamma

Postby Bohemian Seeker » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:11 pm

Thanks David and Ian, that is a comforting answer.
Best wishes
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