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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:27 pm

Greetings,

One moment of consciousness conditions the next.

If that gets called a "stream", over time... it's not an unrealistic comment. It just shows the continuity of causal relations from one moment to the next.

Metta,
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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:31 pm

Greetings EOD,

A citta. I agree though it doesn't have to be discrete and "atomic".

Metta,
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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

Postby Guy » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:55 am

Hi Kidd,

Ajahn Brahm has used the metaphor of sand on a beach to describe consciousness. At a distance when you look at a beach it looks like it is a solid surface but up close when you look at each grain of sand individually you see that there are gaps between the sand. In a similar way, our ordinary experience of consciousness is that it is an ongoing process with no gaps or spaces, but when the mind is clear (after deep meditation) we can see that there are instances/moments of consciousness that arise and pass away, with gaps in between.

Consciousness is said to be like sands on a beach, it is like a stream, but these are just metaphors to help us understand such a subtle process.

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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

Postby kidd » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:18 am

Aren't we conscious of what is apparent and not conscious of what is not apparent?

Isn't consciousness simply awareness of what is; and when there is nothing to be aware of doesn't consciousness cease?

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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

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Re: What is the Theravadan Aim for Rebirth?

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:12 am

Hi EOD,

Well, use your own experience then. With enough calm and mindfulness it is possible to notice discontinuities.

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