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Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:20 pm

Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

And that the missions (life) becomes eaiser and easier?
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby SarathW » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:35 pm

Hi Vilkokarma
The Buddha’s teaching of Equanimity should not be considered in isolation, without giving due consideration to the rest of Brahama Viharas. :console:
Equanimity is the balancing act and the protection for the person who exercise Metta, Karuna and Muditha.
If any other person who exercise Euanimity may fall under the category you are talking about.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:51 pm

what do you mean with isolated? :quote:
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby SarathW » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:22 pm

Hi
I am so pleased that you are trying to understand this subject mostly misunderstood by many.
Please read the following:
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42. Upekkhà—literally, means seeing (ikkhati) impartially
(upa = yuttito). It is viewing an object with a balanced
mind. Atthasàlinã states:—“This is impartiality
(majjhattaü) in connection with the object, and implies a
discriminative knowledge (paricchindanakaü ¤àõaü).”
This explanation applies strictly to Upekkhà found in
Sobhana consciousness accompanied by wisdom. Upekkhà
found in the Akusalas and Ahetukas is just neutral feeling
without the least trace of any discriminative knowledge. In
the Kàmàvacara Sobhanas, too, there may arise that neutral
feeling, as in the case of one hearing the Dhamma without
any pleasurable interest, and also a subtle form of Upekkhà
that views the object with deliberate impartiality and discriminative
knowledge, as in the case of a wise person who
hears the Dhamma with a critical and impartial mind.
Upekkhà of the Jhàna consciousness, in particular, is
of ethical and psychological importance. It certainly is not
the ordinary kind of Upekkhà, generally found in the Akusala
consciousness which comes naturally to an evil-doer.
The Jhàna Upekkhà has been developed by a strong willpower.
Realising that pleasurable feeling is also gross, the
Yogi eliminates it as he did the other three Jhàna factors,
and develops the more subtle and peaceful Upekkhà. On
the attainment of the fifth Jhàna breathing ceases. As he
has transcended both pain and pleasure by will-power, he
is immune to pain too.
This Upekkhà is a highly refined form of the ordinary
tatramajjhattatà, even-mindedness, one of the moral mental
states, latent in all types of Sobhana consciousness.
In the Pàli phrase—Upekkhà satipàrisuddhi—purity
of mindfulness which comes of equanimity—it is the tatramajjhattatà
that is referred to. This is latent in the first four
Jhànas too. In the fifth Jhàna this tatramajjhattatà is singled
out and becomes highly refined. Both neutral feeling
(Upekkhà Vedanà) and equanimity that correspond to the
one Pàli term Upekkhà are found in the fifth Jhàna.
Thus there appear to be four kinds of Upekkhà, viz:—
(1) just neutral feeling, found in the six Akusala Cittas,
(2) sensitive passive neutral feeling (Anubhavana Upekkhà)
found in the eight Ahetuka sense-door consciousness
(dvipa¤ca-vi¤¤àõa)24 (3) intellectual Upekkhà, found mostly
in the two Sobhana Kriyà Cittas, accompanied by knowledge,
and sometimes in the two Sobhana Kusala Cittas,
accompanied by knowledge, (4) ethical Upekkhà, found in
all the Sobhana Cittas, especially in the fifth Jhàna.
Brahmavihàrupekkhà and Saïkhàrupekkhà may be
included in both intellectual and ethical Upekkhà.25
The first is equanimity amidst all vicissitudes of life.
The second is neither attachment õor aversion with respect
to all conditioned things.

Page 72
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby dagon » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:39 am

hi villkorkarma

The passage and the article below is something that I use to help me understand equanimity and how it relates to loving kindness, compassion and joy. I have to have an understanding which I can apply to my life in general and work in particular.

Equanimity rooted in insight is the guiding and restraining power for the other three sublime states. It points out to them the direction they have to take, and sees to it that this direction is followed. Equanimity guards love and compassion from being dissipated in vain quests and from going astray in the labyrinths of uncontrolled emotion. Equanimity, being a vigilant self-control for the sake of the final goal, does not allow sympathetic joy to rest content with humble results, forgetting the real aims we have to strive for.

Equanimity, which means "even-mindedness," gives to love an even, unchanging firmness and loyalty. It endows it with the great virtue of patience. Equanimity furnishes compassion with an even, unwavering courage and fearlessness, enabling it to face the awesome abyss of misery and despair which confront boundless compassion again and again. To the active side of compassion, equanimity is the calm and firm hand led by wisdom — indispensable to those who want to practice the difficult art of helping others. And here again equanimity means patience, the patient devotion to the work of compassion.

In these and other ways equanimity may be said to be the crown and culmination of the other three sublime states. The first three, if unconnected with equanimity and insight, may dwindle away due to the lack of a stabilizing factor. Isolated virtues, if unsupported by other qualities which give them either the needed firmness or pliancy, often deteriorate into their own characteristic defects. For instance, loving-kindness, without energy and insight, may easily decline to a mere sentimental goodness of weak and unreliable nature. Moreover, such isolated virtues may often carry us in a direction contrary to our original aims and contrary to the welfare of others, too. It is the firm and balanced character of a person that knits isolated virtues into an organic and harmonious whole, within which the single qualities exhibit their best manifestations and avoid the pitfalls of their respective weaknesses. And this is the very function of equanimity, the way it contributes to an ideal relationship between all four sublime states.

Equanimity is a perfect, unshakable balance of mind, rooted in insight. But in its perfection and unshakable nature equanimity is not dull, heartless and frigid. Its perfection is not due to an emotional "emptiness," but to a "fullness" of understanding, to its being complete in itself. Its unshakable nature is not the immovability of a dead, cold stone, but the manifestation of the highest strength.


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el006.html

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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:51 pm

i Think it is by you not overweening i mean that its decreases.
the overweening decreases and when its perfect enlightenment is perfect. when quanimity is perfect, enlightenment is perfect.
equanimity is that the standstill its going away and the hindrances go away Little by Little
and the awakening has taking its start. u have to stop sleeping. (I sleep much but i feel okay)
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:09 pm

Are equanimity and enlightenment perfect when the gone of owerweening is gone?
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:45 pm

SarathW wrote:Hi
I am so pleased that you are trying to understand this subject mostly misunderstood by many.
Please read the following:
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42. Upekkhà—literally, means seeing (ikkhati) impartially
(upa = yuttito). It is viewing an object with a balanced
mind. Atthasàlinã states:—“This is impartiality
(majjhattaü) in connection with the object, and implies a
discriminative knowledge (paricchindanakaü ¤àõaü).”
This explanation applies strictly to Upekkhà found in
Sobhana consciousness accompanied by wisdom. Upekkhà
found in the Akusalas and Ahetukas is just neutral feeling
without the least trace of any discriminative knowledge. In
the Kàmàvacara Sobhanas, too, there may arise that neutral
feeling, as in the case of one hearing the Dhamma without
any pleasurable interest, and also a subtle form of Upekkhà
that views the object with deliberate impartiality and discriminative
knowledge, as in the case of a wise person who
hears the Dhamma with a critical and impartial mind.
Upekkhà of the Jhàna consciousness, in particular, is
of ethical and psychological importance. It certainly is not
the ordinary kind of Upekkhà, generally found in the Akusala
consciousness which comes naturally to an evil-doer.
The Jhàna Upekkhà has been developed by a strong willpower.
Realising that pleasurable feeling is also gross, the
Yogi eliminates it as he did the other three Jhàna factors,
and develops the more subtle and peaceful Upekkhà. On
the attainment of the fifth Jhàna breathing ceases. As he
has transcended both pain and pleasure by will-power, he
is immune to pain too.
This Upekkhà is a highly refined form of the ordinary
tatramajjhattatà, even-mindedness, one of the moral mental
states, latent in all types of Sobhana consciousness.
In the Pàli phrase—Upekkhà satipàrisuddhi—purity
of mindfulness which comes of equanimity—it is the tatramajjhattatà
that is referred to. This is latent in the first four
Jhànas too. In the fifth Jhàna this tatramajjhattatà is singled
out and becomes highly refined. Both neutral feeling
(Upekkhà Vedanà) and equanimity that correspond to the
one Pàli term Upekkhà are found in the fifth Jhàna.
Thus there appear to be four kinds of Upekkhà, viz:—
(1) just neutral feeling, found in the six Akusala Cittas,
(2) sensitive passive neutral feeling (Anubhavana Upekkhà)
found in the eight Ahetuka sense-door consciousness
(dvipa¤ca-vi¤¤àõa)24 (3) intellectual Upekkhà, found mostly
in the two Sobhana Kriyà Cittas, accompanied by knowledge,
and sometimes in the two Sobhana Kusala Cittas,
accompanied by knowledge, (4) ethical Upekkhà, found in
all the Sobhana Cittas, especially in the fifth Jhàna.
Brahmavihàrupekkhà and Saïkhàrupekkhà may be
included in both intellectual and ethical Upekkhà.25
The first is equanimity amidst all vicissitudes of life.
The second is neither attachment õor aversion with respect
to all conditioned things.

Page 72
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf

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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby SarathW » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:57 pm

villkorkarma wrote:Are equanimity and enlightenment perfect when the gone of owerweening is gone?


I quite do not understand your question.
What do you mean by overweening?
Is this conceited (Mana)?
Enlightened person do not have Mana. (one of the ten fetters)
I am not sure whether equanimity is applicable to Arahants.
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Postby villkorkarma » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:30 pm

I mean.. I Believe murderers are different then me beacuse I practice karuna and mindfullness and Its opposite.
Before I had many hard horrible missions I dont mean that my actions was horrible but my missions
But now It is much better
So I was thinking that the equanimity has beeing better and also can be better to its perfection so as the monk from german said :When the stagnation is destroyed equanimity is perfect, only in the arahant, he sending or she sending with chrystal out again from light ( or something like that) And he said when one has reached equanimity the stagnation is destroyed. And one cannot be lost in samsara agaian, love compassion and sympathatic joy has beeing binding them selves and the warmth from faith has harmonized SOmethinG.
But my question is what is improvement of equanimity? and what happends? Goenka said that when the equanimity is perfect enlightenment is perfect.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:34 pm

SarathW wrote:
villkorkarma wrote:Are equanimity and enlightenment perfect when the gone of owerweening is gone?


I quite do not understand your question.
What do you mean by overweening?
Is this conceited (Mana)?
Enlightened person do not have Mana. (one of the ten fetters)
I am not sure whether equanimity is applicable to Arahants.
:)

what do you mean when you said not or yes applicable to Arahants.? :shock:
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Postby villkorkarma » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:24 pm

What i ment was that when I did the missions the pain inside increased.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby Mkoll » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:48 pm

Developed equanimity is high level stuff. It's the final brahmavihara and the final factor of enlightenment. I am working on the first brahmavihara (metta) and the first factor of enlightenment (mindfulness, satipatthana). I'm not going to be thinking much about equanimity until I have a solid base of satipatthana and metta.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:43 pm

But now when I dont get extascy of nature and so (from snuff) I Think so the dissapointment is lower then Before. and its really good .. inside.. but boring sometimes. so... sometimes i get extas from nature and from snuff BUT i dont get so depressed anymore and hurt my self så much so welcome all to reach equanimity. its good. and healty way of living :woohoo:
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby Mkoll » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:57 pm

Dear villkorkarma,

I'm glad you're less disappointed. Buddhist practice has done that for me too.

Metta when you're depressed. And when you're not. :heart:
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby IanAnd » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:29 am

villkorkarma wrote:But my question is what is improvement of equanimity? and what happens?

Goenka said that when the equanimity is perfect enlightenment is perfect.

From another thread on this same topic:

Sati silently observes, like a spectator at a play, without in
any way interfering. Some refer to this non-reactive feature of sati as
"choiceless" awareness. "Choiceless" in the sense that with such
awareness one remains impartially aware, without reacting with
likes or dislikes. Such silent and non-reactive observation can at
times suffice to curb unwholesomeness,
so that an application of sati
can have quite active consequences. Yet sati's activity is confined to
detached observation. That is, sati does not change experience, it
deepens it.

This description of "choiceless awareness" is just this very same equanimity toward mental formations. To reach an equanimity toward formations is indeed equivalent to awakening.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:16 am

Mkoll wrote:Dear villkorkarma,

I'm glad you're less disappointed. Buddhist practice has done that for me too.

Metta when you're depressed. And when you're not. :heart:

:anjali: thank you warmly dear Mkoll
i Think iam getting to reach the ultimate comn in a few years. maybe 2.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby villkorkarma » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:57 pm

IanAnd wrote:
villkorkarma wrote:But my question is what is improvement of equanimity? and what happens?

Goenka said that when the equanimity is perfect enlightenment is perfect.

From another thread on this same topic:

Sati silently observes, like a spectator at a play, without in
any way interfering. Some refer to this non-reactive feature of sati as
"choiceless" awareness. "Choiceless" in the sense that with such
awareness one remains impartially aware, without reacting with
likes or dislikes. Such silent and non-reactive observation can at
times suffice to curb unwholesomeness,
so that an application of sati
can have quite active consequences. Yet sati's activity is confined to
detached observation. That is, sati does not change experience, it
deepens it.

This description of "choiceless awareness" is just this very same equanimity toward mental formations. To reach an equanimity toward formations is indeed equivalent to awakening.


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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby Taijitu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:00 pm

villkorkarma wrote:Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?


euanimity: calmness and composure, especially in a difficult situation.
overweening: showing excessive confidence or pride

I would say it is certainly a risk but what one shows to others can be controlled.

A calm and composed person shows to themselves that they are calm and composed.

I think excitement does not fit into being calm and composed as it can lead to overweening or false expectations.

And that the missions (life) becomes eaiser and easier?[/quote]

I would say yes but there is always more to learn from every source.
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Re: Does euanimity means that youre not overweening?

Postby Taijitu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:14 pm

dagon wrote:forgetting the real aims we have to strive for.


To my mind it is only rational to seek inner peace bearing in mind wealth and time and upon finding such inner peace it is mutually beneficial to share what one has with others.

I think this falls into Buddhist teaching but are there more real aims for which we have to strive for please?
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