Ñanavira Thera wrote:The word sankhāra, in all contexts, means 'something that something else depends on', that is to say a determination (determinant).
adosa wrote:"fabrications as a requisite condition comes consciousness" seems to point at some stage in the links of D.O. consciousness do not exist.
When there is this this is, with arising of this this arises...
adosa wrote:I ask because I'm having a hard time picturing any of this happening without some sort of consciousness already existing
acinteyyo wrote:I have to point out that it is wrong to interprete D.O. in any kind where time is involved.
tiltbillings wrote:acinteyyo wrote:I have to point out that it is wrong to interprete D.O. in any kind where time is involved.
If this is so, then the idea that
10. Bhava-paccayā jāti: "Through the (rebirth-producing karma-) process of becoming is conditioned rebirth."
11. Jāti-paccayā jarāmaranam, etc.: "Through rebirth are conditioned old age and death (sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair). Thus arises this whole mass of suffering again in the future."
somehow refers to a continual on-going process going on during one's very life is also meaningless.
Then how does viññāna function in the khandhas?It is the same thing like sankhārā-paccayā viññānam.
tiltbillings wrote:jāti: birth or rebirth; it does not matter. Once you take time out of a process, the process is no longer a process.
One may dismiss the three life interpretation of conditioned co-production, but the moment-to-moment interpretation also ceases to have any meaning if one denies time/process. If something conditions something, there is a movement in time from not being conditioned to being conditioned, or from not being arisen to being arisen. Time.
tiltbillings wrote:Then how does viññāna function in the khandhas?acinteyyo wrote:It is the same thing like sankhārā-paccayā viññānam
catmoon wrote:To get an idea what Pali-laden posts look like to non-speakers of ancient languages, print out a copy and then, with a large black felt pen, blot out every foreign word. Notice that in the process, the key concepts in an argument are often covered up.
TMingyur wrote:After all interpretation of DO as meaning this or that is a manifestation of sankhàra, right?
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